WEBVTT 00:00.160 --> 00:02.879 I think he's he's also a prisoner of the 00:02.879 --> 00:05.040 model and I think the Israelis are 00:05.040 --> 00:07.839 dangerous. 00:07.839 --> 00:10.480 We have a very special guest with us. Uh 00:10.480 --> 00:13.040 Katherine Austin Fitz is here. She's an 00:13.040 --> 00:14.880 American investment banker who served as 00:14.880 --> 00:16.720 managing director of Dylan Reeden 00:16.720 --> 00:18.320 Company and as the United States 00:18.320 --> 00:20.960 assistant secretary of housing and urban 00:20.960 --> 00:24.320 urban development uh in the George HW 00:24.320 --> 00:26.000 Bush administration. That's the first 00:26.000 --> 00:27.840 George Bush. I remember that George W. 00:27.840 --> 00:30.000 Bush. A lot of people say Israel got 00:30.000 --> 00:32.399 them pushed out. She co-authored a 00:32.399 --> 00:33.960 report in 00:33.960 --> 00:37.200 2017 alleging that $21 trillion in 00:37.200 --> 00:38.879 unauthorized spending by the US 00:38.879 --> 00:41.120 Department of Defense and the US 00:41.120 --> 00:42.960 Department of Housing and Urban 00:42.960 --> 00:45.600 Development over a 17-year period. Now, 00:45.600 --> 00:47.760 of course, that's all crazy talk. That 00:47.760 --> 00:50.800 didn't happen. She's making it up. Um, 00:50.800 --> 00:52.719 the government takes good care is a good 00:52.719 --> 00:54.160 steward of your money and they would 00:54.160 --> 00:56.480 never do something that is just Anyway, 00:56.480 --> 00:57.840 welcome to the show, Katherine Austin 00:57.840 --> 01:00.399 Fitz. Thank you, Jimmy. It's a pleasure 01:00.399 --> 01:03.760 to be on. Uh, so before we get into I 01:03.760 --> 01:06.080 don't I'm going to bury the lead and 01:06.080 --> 01:07.520 we're not going to talk about that right 01:07.520 --> 01:10.400 away. I wanted to cuz this just broke 01:10.400 --> 01:12.240 today and I wanted to just get your 01:12.240 --> 01:13.680 opinion since you worked in the George 01:13.680 --> 01:16.400 Herbert Walker Bush administration and 01:16.400 --> 01:18.720 of course everybody's following what's 01:18.720 --> 01:21.200 happening with Israel, Palestine and 01:21.200 --> 01:23.159 Trump and 01:23.159 --> 01:26.080 Netanyahu. So we know that well it says 01:26.080 --> 01:29.119 Trump cuts ties with Netanyahu over 01:29.119 --> 01:31.360 manipulation concerns and this is comes 01:31.360 --> 01:33.840 from Israeli army radio says that the 01:33.840 --> 01:35.360 United States president has cut off 01:35.360 --> 01:37.759 direct contact with Benjamin Netanyahu 01:37.759 --> 01:40.000 amid growing bilateral concerns. Now, we 01:40.000 --> 01:43.840 know he fired Waltz because Waltz was uh 01:43.840 --> 01:48.320 using a secret uh Israeli 01:48.320 --> 01:51.119 uh app to to they were right in his camp 01:51.119 --> 01:52.720 right in his office, right from the Oval 01:52.720 --> 01:55.840 Office uh while supposed to be advising 01:55.840 --> 01:58.079 the president on national security and 01:58.079 --> 02:00.560 there he is on a signal app that's used 02:00.560 --> 02:03.200 uh secretly was a secret app just for 02:03.200 --> 02:05.920 the Israeli intelligence and so he was a 02:05.920 --> 02:08.479 spy inside the so he got rid of him and 02:08.479 --> 02:09.840 I'm sure that upset 02:09.840 --> 02:12.000 US President Donald Trump has decided to 02:12.000 --> 02:14.000 cut off direct contact with Israeli 02:14.000 --> 02:16.239 Prime Minister uh Yanner Kosen, a 02:16.239 --> 02:18.480 correspondent for Israeli Army Radio, 02:18.480 --> 02:20.160 said in a post on his Twitter account 02:20.160 --> 02:23.120 that Trump made the decision after close 02:23.120 --> 02:25.120 associates told Israeli strategic 02:25.120 --> 02:27.360 affairs minister Ron Durmer that the 02:27.360 --> 02:29.200 president believes that Netanyanu 02:29.200 --> 02:32.680 Netanyahu is manipulating him. 02:32.680 --> 02:36.879 Huh? You kid, that is some kind of crazy 02:36.879 --> 02:39.200 talk. I'm I'm shocked. I'm shocked to 02:39.200 --> 02:41.040 find out that gambling is going on in 02:41.040 --> 02:43.360 this establishment. 02:43.360 --> 02:44.800 The next The next thing you're gonna 02:44.800 --> 02:46.400 tell me is that the vaccine isn't safe 02:46.400 --> 02:48.640 and 02:48.920 --> 02:51.519 effective. An Israeli official added 02:51.519 --> 02:53.440 that Durmer's tone during recent 02:53.440 --> 02:55.200 discussions with senior Republican 02:55.200 --> 02:57.440 figures about what Trump should do was 02:57.440 --> 02:59.319 seen as arrogant and 02:59.319 --> 03:01.680 unhelpful. The official said that people 03:01.680 --> 03:03.519 around Trump told him Netanyahu was 03:03.519 --> 03:05.280 manipulating him. There is nothing Trump 03:05.280 --> 03:07.840 hates more than being portrayed as a 03:07.840 --> 03:10.640 fool or someone being played. That's why 03:10.640 --> 03:12.480 he decided to cut contact with 03:12.480 --> 03:14.959 Netanyahu, the official said. Kosen 03:14.959 --> 03:16.840 pointed to the Israeli government's 03:16.840 --> 03:19.680 failure to present a concrete plan and 03:19.680 --> 03:21.440 timeline regarding Iran and Yemen's 03:21.440 --> 03:24.000 Houthis as a source of the worsening 03:24.000 --> 03:26.720 US-Israeli relationship. The Army radio 03:26.720 --> 03:29.200 correspondent also highlighted that the 03:29.200 --> 03:31.280 Netanyahu government has failed to offer 03:31.280 --> 03:33.599 a concrete proposal on Gaza. Yeah. 03:33.599 --> 03:36.400 because their proposal it they don't 03:36.400 --> 03:39.200 have we all know what their actual goals 03:39.200 --> 03:40.799 are. Their goals are is to ethnically 03:40.799 --> 03:43.280 cleanse Gaza and the West Bank and take 03:43.280 --> 03:46.000 it over. That's been the and they used 03:46.000 --> 03:47.440 the host that's why they're not getting 03:47.440 --> 03:49.120 the hostages out which is why the people 03:49.120 --> 03:51.920 in Israel are protesting Netanyahu 03:51.920 --> 03:53.200 because they know he doesn't want the 03:53.200 --> 03:55.200 hostage out because they know his real 03:55.200 --> 03:57.599 plan. So anyway, we've talked about this 03:57.599 --> 03:59.439 a lot. I just wanted to get your take on 03:59.439 --> 04:01.840 this. Do you think this is it? It seems 04:01.840 --> 04:04.720 like recently Donald Trump has been 04:04.720 --> 04:06.080 sticking the thumb in the eye of 04:06.080 --> 04:08.080 Netanyahu and Israel, especially with 04:08.080 --> 04:10.640 how he's he's approaching Yemen. Now 04:10.640 --> 04:13.200 he's got a deal with Yemen where he'll 04:13.200 --> 04:15.200 he stopped bombing Yemen if bombing 04:15.200 --> 04:17.040 Yemen doesn't bomb our ships and he 04:17.040 --> 04:18.639 doesn't care if they bomb Israel's ships 04:18.639 --> 04:20.959 anymore. What What's your take on this? 04:20.959 --> 04:23.919 So I I want to see I want to see three 04:23.919 --> 04:25.759 things from a president who's really 04:25.759 --> 04:28.479 serious about this. The first is he 04:28.479 --> 04:31.680 makes Apac register as a foreign lobby. 04:31.680 --> 04:34.639 Okay. Second, he requires disclosure by 04:34.639 --> 04:36.479 any government official or member of 04:36.479 --> 04:38.400 Congress as to whether they have dual 04:38.400 --> 04:41.440 citizen passport in or citizenship in 04:41.440 --> 04:44.360 any every any other country uh Israel 04:44.360 --> 04:47.759 included. Um and and third, we stop 04:47.759 --> 04:50.880 funding the genocide in Gaza. 04:50.880 --> 04:53.680 So Netanyahu can only do what he's doing 04:53.680 --> 04:56.720 because we're funding it. That's 100%. I 04:56.720 --> 04:58.400 mean, 04:58.400 --> 05:02.000 uh, is Israel, you know, it it drives me 05:02.000 --> 05:04.720 crazy many things, but one of them is is 05:04.720 --> 05:06.919 that, you know, they 05:06.919 --> 05:09.600 have free healthcare or un they have, 05:09.600 --> 05:11.680 you know, Medicare for all in Israel and 05:11.680 --> 05:13.840 we don't and we're supplying them all 05:13.840 --> 05:15.840 their armaments and we're supplying 05:15.840 --> 05:18.000 which is way I guess way worse of a 05:18.000 --> 05:22.800 thing. But, um, so you don't so you're 05:22.800 --> 05:24.639 you're not sure if Trump's real about 05:24.639 --> 05:26.479 this? If you're if you're going to fund 05:26.479 --> 05:28.960 a genocide and then play this little 05:28.960 --> 05:31.919 theater, to me it's only a theater. So 05:31.919 --> 05:34.320 when I w when I worked in Washington, I 05:34.320 --> 05:37.680 used to um I I I didn't own a TV when I 05:37.680 --> 05:39.039 got there. And somebody said, "You can't 05:39.039 --> 05:41.039 work in the administration without a TV. 05:41.039 --> 05:43.520 You have to watch the Sunday shows." And 05:43.520 --> 05:46.160 so because of the job I had, I was 05:46.160 --> 05:48.880 deeply tracking the whole budget, not 05:48.880 --> 05:51.199 just the mortgage and housing budget. 05:51.199 --> 05:53.360 So, I'd be working all week long on the 05:53.360 --> 05:55.039 budget and I'd be looking at where the 05:55.039 --> 05:56.560 money was going and how they were 05:56.560 --> 05:58.160 whacking up the money. And then I would 05:58.160 --> 06:00.000 watch the Sunday shows and they'd go 06:00.000 --> 06:02.520 yaky yaky yak and it was two parallel 06:02.520 --> 06:05.919 universes and and the real deal was what 06:05.919 --> 06:07.600 was happening with the money and then 06:07.600 --> 06:11.120 the talk was just talk. So if Trump is 06:11.120 --> 06:12.960 providing massive amounts of money to 06:12.960 --> 06:14.720 Israel so Netanyahu can do everything 06:14.720 --> 06:17.520 he's doing while he's saying that he's 06:17.520 --> 06:20.000 not speaking to him, I I don't think 06:20.000 --> 06:21.759 Netanyahu cares whether he speaks to him 06:21.759 --> 06:24.400 or not. He cares that he funds him. So 06:24.400 --> 06:28.000 you think that So So you're saying this 06:28.000 --> 06:30.880 might just be theater and and I would 06:30.880 --> 06:33.600 take that to mean that Trump's base, 06:33.600 --> 06:36.000 which I meet Trump's I meet MAGA every 06:36.000 --> 06:37.759 week. I go out and I do comedy all over 06:37.759 --> 06:40.680 the country and even at the Rescue the 06:40.680 --> 06:43.520 Republic event that I was at, I met a 06:43.520 --> 06:45.680 lot of MAGA. They are not the ones I 06:45.680 --> 06:47.120 know, the ones who watch this show and 06:47.120 --> 06:49.600 come see me, they they are not on board 06:49.600 --> 06:52.560 with his stance with Israel at all. 06:52.560 --> 06:55.919 Right. And and so I what I want is I 06:55.919 --> 06:58.319 want a sovereign country and I want a 06:58.319 --> 07:00.000 sovereign country that enforces the 07:00.000 --> 07:01.759 Constitution. And you can't be a 07:01.759 --> 07:04.639 sovereign country if a significant 07:04.639 --> 07:07.039 number of your cabinet or your Congress 07:07.039 --> 07:09.280 are dual citizen passport, you know, 07:09.280 --> 07:11.759 have dual citizenship and have mixed 07:11.759 --> 07:14.000 loyalties or sign, you know, what a lot 07:14.000 --> 07:15.599 of congressmen tell us is they have to 07:15.599 --> 07:18.880 sign pledges to, you know, to to Apac. 07:18.880 --> 07:22.240 So, I I think we have a serious multiple 07:22.240 --> 07:24.639 personality disorder in the government 07:24.639 --> 07:27.520 and I want to see that aired and changed 07:27.520 --> 07:30.720 and the theater and the drama. I don't I 07:30.720 --> 07:31.840 don't know what's happening between 07:31.840 --> 07:33.280 Trump and Netanyahu. It wouldn't 07:33.280 --> 07:36.080 surprise me if Trump was irritated that 07:36.080 --> 07:38.319 Netanyahu is doing many different things 07:38.319 --> 07:40.720 to make Trump look like a fool. 07:40.720 --> 07:42.479 Certainly, that would irritate me if I 07:42.479 --> 07:45.599 was the president. But but but as far as 07:45.599 --> 07:47.280 I'm concerned, this is just theater. if 07:47.280 --> 07:48.960 you're not going to change the fun 07:48.960 --> 07:52.319 fundamental structural problem. 07:52.319 --> 07:54.160 Do you have a guess on how a guy like 07:54.160 --> 07:56.400 Waltz, who's an obvious Israeli mole, 07:56.400 --> 07:59.039 ends up inside Trump's campaign, I mean 07:59.039 --> 08:00.560 cabinet? 08:00.560 --> 08:02.800 I don't Waltz was not someone I ever 08:02.800 --> 08:04.319 followed or know. So, I don't know how 08:04.319 --> 08:06.800 he ended up there, but I think you have 08:06.800 --> 08:10.400 a lot of major donors and people in the 08:10.400 --> 08:12.080 in and around Trump and who've been 08:12.080 --> 08:14.160 active in the campaign who would have 08:14.160 --> 08:18.000 recommended or vetted him and um you 08:18.000 --> 08:20.160 know and and so there's a process by 08:20.160 --> 08:22.720 which he gets recommended and then you 08:22.720 --> 08:24.800 go in and and of course what happens is 08:24.800 --> 08:27.759 immediately you're tested. So I don't 08:27.759 --> 08:29.440 you know Waltz I don't have a good feel 08:29.440 --> 08:32.800 for. So do you think Trump's 08:32.800 --> 08:37.519 subservience to Israel is based just 08:37.519 --> 08:39.519 because of the donors that I mean 08:39.519 --> 08:42.320 because of you know the widow Aden gave 08:42.320 --> 08:44.720 him $100 million and all the a is it is 08:44.720 --> 08:48.959 it that or is it he's afraid of APEC he 08:48.959 --> 08:50.959 uh you know losing the Congress because 08:50.959 --> 08:52.720 if he can't do anything if the Congress 08:52.720 --> 08:54.720 won't go along with them or he can't do 08:54.720 --> 08:56.800 a lot of things put it that way and so 08:56.800 --> 08:59.279 is he afraid that APEC will will turn 08:59.279 --> 09:02.560 the Congress against him just like uh 09:02.560 --> 09:05.760 let me just stop it there. Okay. So, I 09:05.760 --> 09:07.760 think Trump, you know, if you're the 09:07.760 --> 09:11.240 president, you're subject to 09:11.240 --> 09:14.160 tremend and and the box is subject to 09:14.160 --> 09:16.040 tremendous financial 09:16.040 --> 09:18.880 dependencies on the central bankers and 09:18.880 --> 09:20.800 a whole series of private players. And 09:20.800 --> 09:22.959 I'd love to tell you some stories to 09:22.959 --> 09:24.399 help you understand. But you're in that 09:24.399 --> 09:27.040 box and and you don't have complete 09:27.040 --> 09:28.560 control. The last president who thought 09:28.560 --> 09:30.959 he had control was John Kennedy and we 09:30.959 --> 09:33.680 see what happened there. So, so you're 09:33.680 --> 09:35.760 you're trying to operate within a box 09:35.760 --> 09:38.480 and you're in the middle if you're Trump 09:38.480 --> 09:40.560 of having to change fundamentally the 09:40.560 --> 09:42.040 model. So, at the beginning of the 09:42.040 --> 09:44.399 administration, Secretary Rubio said, 09:44.399 --> 09:46.000 you know, we tried to be a unipolar 09:46.000 --> 09:47.440 model and now we're going to have to 09:47.440 --> 09:49.200 become we're going to have to shift to a 09:49.200 --> 09:51.839 multipolar model. So, so you are forced 09:51.839 --> 09:54.320 by economics to change the fundamental 09:54.320 --> 09:57.200 nature of the dollar system. At the same 09:57.200 --> 09:58.959 time you are subject to all sorts of 09:58.959 --> 10:01.600 private interests and donors 10:01.600 --> 10:03.200 particularly the central bankers who 10:03.200 --> 10:05.760 want you to do certain things. So you 10:05.760 --> 10:08.320 don't have complete latitude to do 10:08.320 --> 10:11.120 whatever you want. And the reality is 10:11.120 --> 10:13.600 the dollar system has traditionally 10:13.600 --> 10:16.079 depended on the Israeli networks for a 10:16.079 --> 10:18.640 whole lot of different operations 10:18.640 --> 10:21.279 particularly in the Middle East. So you 10:21.279 --> 10:23.360 don't want to just throw them overboard 10:23.360 --> 10:24.959 if you're dependent on them for all 10:24.959 --> 10:28.240 sorts of other things. So I I don't 10:28.240 --> 10:30.000 think it's just the major donors. I 10:30.000 --> 10:32.399 think he's he's also a prisoner of the 10:32.399 --> 10:34.839 model. And I think the Israelis are 10:34.839 --> 10:37.920 dangerous. I literally I think if you 10:37.920 --> 10:41.760 you know uh I know people who are very 10:41.760 --> 10:43.680 concerned if they just do what they want 10:43.680 --> 10:46.000 in any of these positions, they can they 10:46.000 --> 10:47.519 or someone in their family can end up 10:47.519 --> 10:49.440 dead. So I'll give you an example. I 10:49.440 --> 10:51.200 have an online book called Dylan Reed 10:51.200 --> 10:53.120 and the aristocracy of stock profits. 10:53.120 --> 10:55.440 I've tried to publish it in a hard copy 10:55.440 --> 10:58.000 three times. The third time I tried, 10:58.000 --> 10:59.760 each time I ran into terrible 10:59.760 --> 11:02.320 difficulties. The third time I tried, I 11:02.320 --> 11:06.079 got a series of very subtle messages and 11:06.079 --> 11:09.120 my interpretation of them was if you if 11:09.120 --> 11:11.040 you publish this in hard copy, we will 11:11.040 --> 11:13.360 kill someone in your family. And so I 11:13.360 --> 11:15.120 backed off and I've never, you know, 11:15.120 --> 11:16.560 it's available online. It's not 11:16.560 --> 11:18.399 suppressed, but I've never published it 11:18.399 --> 11:20.000 in hard copy. And I'm just waiting till 11:20.000 --> 11:22.399 all the people who might, you know, give 11:22.399 --> 11:24.160 that order and have the ability to give 11:24.160 --> 11:26.240 that order pass on and then I'll publish 11:26.240 --> 11:28.959 it in hard copy. But it's it's 11:28.959 --> 11:30.880 dangerous. What What is it What is it 11:30.880 --> 11:34.880 about that book that's so threatening? 11:34.880 --> 11:36.720 Well, I didn't when I tried to do it the 11:36.720 --> 11:38.480 third time, I didn't think it was that 11:38.480 --> 11:41.040 threatening, but I think there there was 11:41.040 --> 11:44.800 a series of people who didn't want um 11:44.800 --> 11:47.920 the their dirty laundry looked at and 11:47.920 --> 11:49.920 and they just thought hard copy would 11:49.920 --> 11:51.920 bring more attention to it. 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