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Welcome back to the show. It's your host

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Danny Hiong. Please do hit the like

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button. That helps boost this show in

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YouTube's algorithm. And we have a big

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one today. As Israel's genocidal war on

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Palestine and the region continues

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unabated, its isolation grows and the US

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and the UK have doubled down on their

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support for Netanyahu and the Israeli

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regime. And they've set their sights on

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domestic opposition. In the Labor Prime

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Minister uh UK Kier Starmer's

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government, we saw a friend of the show

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George Galloway, host of Moes and former

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British MP be detained at Gatwick

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airport under the terrorism act for a

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total of nine hours between he and his

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wife. And one of the questions asked by

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the heavily armed police was what were

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their views on Gaza and why did they

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have them? Now Netanyahu himself is

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talking about using Tik Tok as a weapon

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of war following the Trump sale of that

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uh uh social media outlet. And uh even

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as the European leaders and Donald Trump

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himself are talking about peace, no one

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believes them. So one has to ask what

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explains this desperation? What explains

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this crackdown? What does it mean in the

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wider view of both geopolitics and the

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world situation? to do all of this, to

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talk about all of this. I have very

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special guests. First time on the show,

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I'm going to introduce Matt Canard. He

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is an investigative journalist and

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author. He has done incredible work and

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author of many books and articles,

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especially on the UK's role in the Gaza

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genocide. Matt, good to see you. Great

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to be with you. Thanks for joining.

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>> Thanks for having me. It's good to be

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here.

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>> Of course. Then we have Patrick

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Henningston. He is the co-founder of

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21st Century Wire. He also has his own

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Substack as well, journalist and a

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commentator. Patrick, good to see you.

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>> Great to be with you, Danny.

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>> And then we have former CIA analyst and

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geopolitical commentator Larry Johnson.

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Good to see you today, Larry.

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>> I'm here. Thanks.

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>> All right. Yes. Well, Matt, I wanted to

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start with you. You know, we have a

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situation where uh George Galloway, a

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British MP for many many many many

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years, actually sat in the rooms where

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the terrorism act was discussed. He was

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detained at the airport. He joins uh

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many who have been harassed under the

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terrorism act. people like Asa Win

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Stanley who's a friend of this show of

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electronic and Richard Medhhurst another

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friend of this show uh and British

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journalist Syrian British journalist uh

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and Kit Clarenburg and so many others uh

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this was um George's words himself about

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what exactly happened in the airport and

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I will just play that really quickly and

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then get your commentary. Here we go.

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M

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>> airport in England but it is not the

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reason that they stated.

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We were questioned myself for around 4

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hours datri for around 5 hours and then

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released without charge. For what charge

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could there possibly have been? How

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could we, me and Guyatri have anything

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to do with terrorism? How? Well, we

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certainly were not enlightened during

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the collective nine hours of

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questioning. Not a single effort was

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made to show cause for having detained

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me and her with armed officers in public

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in an English airport. Not a single

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question. And they ranged far and wide

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right down to Gatri's famous fingernail

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painted in the Palestinian colors. Why?

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Why is your fingernail painted in the

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Palestinian colors? What's your attitude

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to the conflict in Gaza? Who persuaded

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you of this point of view? Why do you

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admire Mr. Lavough? Why are you so

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friendly to China? A country with which

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Britain maintains absolute and full

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diplomatic relations and every big

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company in the United Kingdom is doing

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business with China and we're not they

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would dearly love to be. What does that

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have to do with terrorism? What are my

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views on Xi Jinping have to do with

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terrorism? What are my views on Lavough

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have to do with terrorism?

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So Matt, uh,

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you know, you're no stranger to both UK

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politics, its complicity in the genocide

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in Gaza, as well as this terrorism act.

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So what are your impressions of this?

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How do you see this in the bigger

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picture of what's going on uh both in

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the region, West Asia, visav Israel, and

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uh the rest of the world?

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>> Yeah. Well, uh firstly uh the the

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detention of Galloway and his wife is a

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massive escalation because

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um up till now you haven't had prominent

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politicians uh being detained uh under

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terrorism act at airports. So I mean

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Galloway is one of the most prominent

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figures over the last 25 years in

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British politics. You know he was a MP

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i.e. an elected representative of

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British parliament for 16 years. He was

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one of the leading voices uh against the

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war in Iraq, leading voices for

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Palestine for many decades and also

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testified quite famously in in US

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Congress about the war in Iraq. Um so to

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detain him uh is quite is quite a reach.

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But again it comes uh uh at a time when

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we're literally seeing our rights being

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stripped away piece by piece and it's

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all being done using the terrorism act.

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So this is an act which was passed in

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2000 when Tony Blair was a was the prime

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minister. Um and it is a hugely

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repressive and authoritarian piece of

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legislation and it allows the police

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effectively to do what they want. uh

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especially at airports but even outside

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of airports. You mentioned Asa Win

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Stanley in your introduction and in

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October 2024

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uh this again was unprecedented. His

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house was raided by uh police uh in a

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dawn raid. They took all his uh

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journalistic devices and he wasn't

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arrested or charged with anything. Now,

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up to that point, I didn't even think

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the police could do that in England, but

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apparently they can break into your

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house and take in all your take all your

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stuff and not even charge you or um uh

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or arrest you. So, we're in a very uh

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sticky situation. The the other thing is

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that we don't have a media which uh

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covers this stuff. Uh you would have

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thought if any any any media worth its

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salt or actually taking its job

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seriously that the Asa Win Stanley raid

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would have been all over the press, i.e.

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on the front pages. This is this is

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something that is seriously scary for

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for especially for journalists but for

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everyone and it's never been written

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about in the mainstream media ever. Uh

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even after he won a case against the

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police that what they did was unlawful.

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So I I think and as you say it does fit

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into a wider context and it's all being

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done effectively at the behest of

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Israel. Um, and the Israel lobby in this

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country is extremely powerful and

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they're obvious I think they're they're

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targeting people who have become

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problematic for them. And ASA has been

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leading on the work on the Israel lobby

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in this country for for the last 10

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years really. And I'm sure I don't have

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any evidence for this, but I don't think

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it's too much of a reach to say that

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they probably were involved in uh that

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that the police doing that raid. You

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also have recently the Palestine action

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prescription which again is involves the

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terrorism act and prescription is again

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a hugely authoritarian uh uh move uh uh

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even even within the context of actual

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terrorist groups because it means that

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you can't you don't have free speech.

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It's an attack on free speech

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completely. Uh so before they prescribed

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Hamas uh in the early 2000s and

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Hezbollah the political wing was

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prescribed in 2019 at the behest of the

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Israel lobby that that's all recorded

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and the important part of that section

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under the terrorism act that uh

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prescription one is that it makes

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membership of that organization illegal

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but I actually don't think that's the

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most important part of it. The most

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important part of it is that it it stops

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being able to voice support for that

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organization if an organization is

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prescribed. And you're seeing over well

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over a thousand people arrested in the

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UK just for saying now I support

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Palestine action. Uh and that is why I

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think they prescribed uh Palestine

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action. I don't actually think what they

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do is is in terms of trespassing and and

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doing damage to weapons of war is is

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illegal. Uh they don't need any more

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tools to go after those people. And

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actually there were there were many more

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people there were many people in prison

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before the prescription. what that

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prescription was about was about

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dampening down on the on speech of

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British people because I think and I'll

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finish with this. I think Israel sees

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what's happened in the UK as as a real

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loss over the past two years, maybe more

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than anywhere else in the in Europe and

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and uh in the West because we've had

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consistently the largest demonstrations

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against the genocide. We've had

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Palestine Action was founded in the UK

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and it's the most effective organization

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for really uh uh uh damaging the Israeli

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war machine. And I think that they they

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have now gone uh using using the tools

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of repression and using the law to to

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try and discipline a population they've

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lost control of effectively. They

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haven't got control of the narrative

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anymore. you know, even though they've

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got largely got the mainstream media on

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their side, obviously the government is

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is pumping out all the usual propaganda,

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uh, but the people aren't buying it

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anymore. So, I think that what you're

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seeing is a a real uh erosion of our

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liberties and our rights on on behalf of

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of this tiny little country uh in West

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Asia. And obviously, it's also happening

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in the United States. Unprecedented

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things are happening in the United

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States. Like for example, one really

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shocking thing and I know I shouldn't be

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shocked by this because it's become

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normalized now, but that Turkish student

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who was grabbed off the street by ICE

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officers for writing this article in a

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student newspaper that was critical of

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Israel and it wasn't even an extreme

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article. It was a super moderate

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article. I thought, wow, that is that is

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that is a a really scary thing to see.

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And then you're also seeing Trump the

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other day muting the idea that um the

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federal government will withdraw um uh

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uh disaster relief funding to any state

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which votes to boycott Israel. Again, in

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insane scenario that you have that

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degree of control. This is a degree of

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control you can say things about your

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own government, criticize them in a way

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that you can't criticize Israel. So it's

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it's a it's a wider crackdown. But I

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think that that's the and I think it

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will get worse in the short term, but I

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think it is also a sign of uh success in

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in in terms of the the the resistance to

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Zionism and the resistance to uh the

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genocide because it has been effective

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in completely transforming the

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consciousness of people around the world

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and and that's why we got to carry on

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and effectively the risk that we're

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taking and obviously it wasn't nice what

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happened to George Galloway. It wasn't

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nice what happened to ASA. But compared

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to what they're doing in Gaza and also

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in the West Bank, but especially in Gaza

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to the journalists, you know, they

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literally just massacre journalists all

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the time and their families. So, we have

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to use the tools we have uh and we have

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to take the risk that maybe we wouldn't

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have in a different time because if we

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stop using our rights or we stop seeing

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these as rights that we possess, then

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they will just wither and die.

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>> Yeah, great points, Matt. And uh to

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that, Patrick, I'll turn to you. Here's

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the reporting uh that was happening

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during the detainment of George

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Galloway. George Galloway claims police

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detained him for nine hours. This is the

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kind of stuff coming out of British

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media. Of course, it's not much better

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in the United States, as you know,

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Patrick. Uh but what are your comments

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on on this situation and where it fits

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in the overall geopolitical and world

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situation? I think I think Matt outlined

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uh the the really important salient

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points on this issue. Um I can just

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reiterate that and maybe underline it a

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little bit by saying that uh you know

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the the term terrorism the way it's

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being bandied about now how arbitrarily

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it's being bandied about. It's it's been

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watered down to such a degree it doesn't

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really mean anything anymore. Hence, it

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can be applied to just about uh anything

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uh anything that exposes state crimes,

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exposes state hypocrisy, exposes policy.

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And you need to pay attention to how the

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wording around these issues are being

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applied. And increasingly in recent

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years, we'll say, well, it's a threat to

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national security. Uh we're we're

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detaining you because of the terrorism

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act, but also on the grounds that you

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might be a threat to national security.

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then it becomes national interests. So

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you go all the way from you know how do

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you define national interests or

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anything that basically makes the

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government uh look bad uh anything that

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challenges government policy that's uh

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can be deemed under you know threatening

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national interest. This is what Marco

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Rubio the type of language he was

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applying to uh the student protesters uh

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on US campuses uh who are protesting the

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genocide uh in Gaza. So this it's a it's

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it's a real uh uh sort of evolution in

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uh how the language is being applied by

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the state. And the bottom line on all of

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this is uh and I think we need to go

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back to the original point which also uh

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outline which is the real point is by

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procribing the political wing the

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political wing of Hamas or the political

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wing of Hezbollah. Hezbollah holds a

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large number of seats in the Lebanese

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parliament. Okay. and has done for a

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long time. So to quote, you know, label

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them as a terrorist group at the behest

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of the Israeli lobby. I'm talking about

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the United States, Britain, uh you know,

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France didn't prescribe the the funny

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enough the political wing of Hezbollah,

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I think only until recently, but years

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before they didn't, the European Union,

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Germany, and etc. some European

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countries. And so this means that

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there's no way that you can have any

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kind of a political conversation around

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foreign policy. So th this is to me a

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huge con and the the real con is and the

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real danger is these these these moves

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these unilateral moves by a specific set

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of governments i.e. allies of Israel

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that the real target is international

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law. The real target is international

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law because by uh by by attacking the

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political wing that means you can

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justify wiping out an entire parliament

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like the Israelis tried to do largely

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successfully recently with Yemen under

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the guise that these are terrorists that

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this country are are full of terrorists

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and that the population of Gaza are all

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terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.

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Therefore, you basically get cart blanch

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to do whatever you want. And the the

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results can be absolutely horrific,

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barbaric, and uh apocalyptic as we've

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seen over the last two years. So, it's

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not just words. These aren't just words

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we're dealing with here. It's the

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concept behind them and how governments

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are wielding and using them. That's

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really, I think, a a huge threat to

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international law, international order,

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and and civility ciagnization

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uh on the whole. I think that's what's

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really hanging in the balance right now.

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>> Larry, you know, you you're you're a

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former CIA analyst and you know, you're

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also a friend of George Galloway and his

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show. Yeah. How

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>> how do you see this uh attack in in the

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sense of uh you know Matt brought up a

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kind of desperation? It definitely

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appears very desperate that uh the UK

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authorities and of course the entirety

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of the UK establishment are are now

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going after George Galloway as a voice

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of resistance. That kind of speaks to

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the entire situation that both Patrick

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and Matt laid out. What is your reaction

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to this?

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>> Well, it's one thing to go after George.

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I mean he's he's an outspoken and

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articulate fellow but to go after

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Guyatri his wife you know I was I was

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with him both in uh in Moscow I guess it

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was in June and this is just absolutely

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outrageous for them to get treated this

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way. But look it boils down to you know

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two things. Uh, if you want to go out

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and protest, criticize, condemn, vilify

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China, you get a pat on the ass. Hey,

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the same with Cuba. Demonize them in the

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West. Good on you.

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It's only if you're dealing with the

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Zionists in Israel

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and uh their their click their moneyed

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click which hangs on in both the

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Christian communities in the United

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States and in Europe uh or the Russians

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if you express any uh counter to that

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narrative. I mean it's so it it's it's a

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very narrow but specific attack on

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trying to contain

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uh to defeat a particular narrative

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while protecting and enhancing a

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narrative that's literally falling apart

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at the seams. So this is uh it's

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alarming but uh you know we've seen this

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uh this tendency uh the ability of the

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public to be so easily manipulated

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you know as an example uh we're told

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that Hamas we're always told it's a it's

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a terrorist organization

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really how many actual terrorist acts

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have they carried out I looked into that

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I tried to count them up so over a 25

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year period from August 2000 through the

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data set I had went through April of

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2024. Mind you, the data set came from

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the Israeli Foreign Ministry. So, it's

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not like it was a Larry Johnson created

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product.

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uh only 105

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attacks and I'm putting those in

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quotation marks because a lot of it were

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what you'd call retaliatory strikes,

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vendettas,

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the kind of violence we saw here in

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America when the Hatfield McCoys were

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shooting at one another.

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Compare that with Hayat al-Shem

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which in 2018 2019

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were listed in the top 10 of worldwide

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terrorist groups.

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So in other words in just one year Hayat

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Tar al-Se had more terrorist attacks

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than Hamas did in 25 years.

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And yet, who's embracing the leader, Yao

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Jalani, the leader of Hayatar Asheam,

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now called Alshara, dressed up in his

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nifty Brooks Brothers outfit, uh,

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trimmed beard, trimmed hair. Oh, that's

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us. That's the Brits.

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So, the hypocrisy on this stinks. But

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it's uh, you know, it's become the the

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modus operandi of modern day.

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>> Yeah. And Matt, maybe you can bring us

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home here on on this particular issue.

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You know, I know that you've been the

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author of many books. Uh I know you have

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another book forthcoming, Rogue Reporter

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versus the American Empire. You also

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wrote Silent Coup. Could could you talk

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about uh you know you've done a lot of

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investigations on kind of the corporate

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side here and you've also uh really uh

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have dived deep into kind of the ways in

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which the UK is is really operating uh

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for Israel and doing everything it can

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to forward Israel's interest in the

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region. Why is this? What are some of

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the bigger root causes for why someone

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like George Galloway as well as the

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other journalists now and and there's

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and activists as well uh these

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particular targeted groups uh they're

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coming under heavy fire from the UK

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government itself. Uh what are some of

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the root causes of this from your

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investigations?

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>> Oh sorry you were muted. Here you go.

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>> Okay. One causes uh it's not from my

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investigations but it's just the

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structural factor is we don't have a

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constitution in this country. So, we

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don't have our rights protected in the

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same way you do in the states. Um, we

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have what's called an unwritten

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constitution, but it's it's complicated

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and based on norms, and it's very very

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easy to bend. And this is a this, you

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know, basically you realize that because

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they're not written down, they don't

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exist. And this goes back way further

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than just um uh the genocide. You know,

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we had Julian Assange in Bel Marsh

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maximum security prison for 5 years.

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most of that as a Raman prisoner,

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someone who who was just he he his

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conviction had been spent and he was

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being held on Raman. Um uh he was also

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detained in Ecuadorian embassy uh

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unlawfully. That was according to the UN

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for 7 years before that. And barely

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anyone battered an eyelid when he was in

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Belar and Bel and they they did things

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that were just you'd expect from a a

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dictatorship, you know, they wouldn't

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let people in. he wasn't allowed uh even

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visits from uh uh NOS's and people like

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that. So there's a long there's a long

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history that of that and I think it just

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goes to to the point which is that power

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will protect itself from uh uh dissident

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and people who are trying to reveal the

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truth about them. Now, when you're

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brought up in the UK and I guess the US

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too, you're told, well, we have a a

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media and a a an NGO or sorry, a civil

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society sector which guards our rights

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and protects us from the excesses of the

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state. Uh that doesn't exist in the UK

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at all. Uh they we are the public realm

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in the UK is complete lies completely

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undefended because the media don't cover

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these issues. So for example, I

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mentioned Asa's case never being

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mentioned in the media. Barely anything

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about the Assange in Bel Marsh and the

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contra the the corruption in his case

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was ever covered. The BBC right I don't

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know if you guys remember um I can't

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remember how many it was like maybe four

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years ago there was an article in Yahoo

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News uh which was based on testimony of

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30 former uh senior US officials who had

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worked under the in the first Trump

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administration. And this article was

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about how Pompeo had been asked by Trump

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to draw sketches for assassinating or

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killing uh and or or kidnapping Assange

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in London. And and that article also

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said that the British had agreed to do

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the shooting if if needed to. Okay. So

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there you have a a foreign power um uh

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uh scheming to assassinate a journalist

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in the heart of London because they

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don't like his reporting. This is such

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an outrage. It's it's beyond

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comprehension. But that article was

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barely it was covered by the Guardian.

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Uh the only part of the BBC in which it

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was ever mentioned was BBC Somali. So

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the only way the only way you'd know

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about it if you read the BBC is if you

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can speak Somali. Uh and that's what

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we're we we live with. We live in a

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there's a hyper reality that's created

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by the media. uh and the re the real

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stuff the the real stuff that reveals

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how the system works is just completely

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excised from that media and from civil

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society as well and that's largely

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because there's been operations by the

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state and the corporate sector to co-opt

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uh the media and civil society as you

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might expect because they again they

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don't want any kind of resistance to

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what they're doing. So that's that's the

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situation. And and just to go to your

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point about the UK's role in all this,

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the UK is central to the whole imperial

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system. And this is something I didn't

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really understand properly until we

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started declassified UK because I'd

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always focused on the United States. And

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we all know the United States is

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overwhelmingly the most powerful country

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in the world. Um has its military dwarfs

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everything else. But and I always

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thought UK was a bit part player, a bit

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pathetic, always just hung on the

24:33.279 --> 24:35.679
coattails of the US to uh to keep keep

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itself relevant. But that you realize

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actually we are central to the whole

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thing and we provide us a range of

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services to the Americans which are

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actually quite useful. One good example

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of this is the when they when the empire

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was decommissioned after the second war

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or when we're told the empire was

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decommissioned, it wasn't actually. We

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retained loads of what are called well

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14 what are called British overseas

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territories. One of them is on Cyprus.

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So Cypress got independence in the great

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sort of uh decolonial period when uh uh

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in in 1960 it got made independent from

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Britain. But not many people know even

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here that 3% of Cyprus was retained by

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the UK and it was turned into massive

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intelligence and uh military

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installations. one called Acriteri and

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one called Dealia and those have been

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pretty much from the start also joint

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bases with the Americans unofficially

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because it's they're not they don't want

25:30.320 --> 25:31.600
the criate government to know but

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Acriteri has a permanent uh uh unit from

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the US Air Force station there. Dellia

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is run by the GCHQ which is the UK's

25:41.279 --> 25:44.000
largest uh intelligence agency alongside

25:44.000 --> 25:45.919
the NSA and actually Edward Snowden's

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leak showed that the NSA pay half of the

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upkeep for the Kellia. So and and and

25:50.320 --> 25:52.000
then in when when the genocide started,

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you saw it became the central uh in

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international site for supplying and

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supporting the genocide in Gaza. So

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regular US Air Force military transport

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flights were going, carrying weapons.

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Regular RAF uh cargo flights were going.

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Um there were they started spy flights

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the the British from there which are

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still going to till today that spend 5

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hours over Gaza collecting intelligence

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which is relayed to the Israeli military

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in real time. So you really have and in

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fact the genocide itself has really kind

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of taken the mask off how the empire

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operates because all the different nodes

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that the US empire and its and its

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accomplice Britain has around the world

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have have revealed themselves cuz

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they've been used because this isn't

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just an Israeli genocide. You know this

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is a I I would say principally a US UK

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Israeli genocide. Obviously the Germans

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are involved as well but in terms of the

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active support the US and the UK are are

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central. And then you have the city of

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London as well, which again we don't

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talk about enough on the left, but the

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city of London is another way that

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Britain retained its imperial system

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because the city of London is a very

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interesting uh uh institution because

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it's a private corporation, but it it

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runs a whole part of London, i.e. it's a

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different jurisdiction to the national

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jurisdiction. Uh, in fact, it was when

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during the Roman invasion

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2,000 years ago, it sorry, during the

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Norman invasion a thousand years ago, it

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was um it was it it was they were

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granted their own uh rights, which

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they've had ever since. And they have

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their own police force. There's no

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democratic system there. Institutions

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vote instead of uh uh people, and it's

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mostly banks. and they have this uh uh

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web of uh tax havens around the world

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which are also British overseas

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territories like the Virgin Islands,

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Bermuda and so much of uh the dirty

27:46.559 --> 27:48.720
money around the world uh and illicit

27:48.720 --> 27:50.960
money which is used by the richest

27:50.960 --> 27:53.279
people in the world to avoid tax it goes

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through these overseas territories and

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so much money is going through the city

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of London. So obviously when you have

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this whole apparatus based in the UK

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which is central to the imperial system

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you want to guard against number one

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people messing with it in a in a

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material way but also revealing the

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truth about it. And the reason I believe

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sorry I'm rattling on but the reason I

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believe that they allow what they call

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the free press is because it doesn't do

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its job. So they get to use it as a soft

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power technique. You know they go around

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the world saying we support democracy

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and freedom. Look at our press. People

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can say what they want, but they it

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would they allow it because it never

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impinges on their ability to uh project

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power or to use their power. As soon as

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you have a journalist who actually takes

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their job seriously and really reveals

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the mechanics of how the whole operation

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works like Julian Assange, they stick

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him in prison and no one even bats an

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eyelid. And that's what you realize that

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all these rights that we're told we

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have, they evaporate as soon as you

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start taking them too seriously. Um, and

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we're finding that out in a very real

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way because on top of everything, on top

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of the British establishment asserting

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its control, we've got a hugely powerful

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Israel lobby, uh, which, uh, which has

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its claws in deep into our political

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system, maybe the most of any foreign

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power after the United States. Um, and

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it's uh it's it's a scary thing to see,

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but again, people that there's a there's

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a there's a there's a confidence and a

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bravery that I've not seen amongst

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people before because I think watching

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what we all have watched for the last

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two years has made people just not care

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as much as they used to about their own

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safety uh in the context and and and

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you're seeing that with Palestine

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action. It's absolutely amazing what

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people are doing and I feel bad that I

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haven't done it but you people are going

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out even though they know that it's

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they're a prescribed organization and

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you up to 14 years in prison for saying

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you support them and they're they're

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sitting with placards saying I oppose

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genocide I support Palestine action and

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getting arrested on mass. Just yesterday

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66 people were arrested outside the

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Labour Party conference for that. Um and

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they're making it unworkable. Uh which

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is an amazing thing. You know the people

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are winning in that extent. they're

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making this uh draconian policy

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unworkable. So yeah, that's that's my

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take on that.

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>> Yeah. No, great points. Um great points,

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Matt. Well, uh let's move to uh a a kind

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of a different example of this uh

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growing desperation and attempts to uh

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protect uh the Israeli regime on the

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part of the United States and the United

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Kingdom. But this particular example is

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with Tik Tok. You know, Benjamin

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Netanyahu Oh, actually, this is the

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wrong clip. You know, Benjamin Netanyahu

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has been incredibly desperate looking of

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late. We had the UN dem debacle where he

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essentially spoke to an empty room uh

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during the UN General Assembly. And then

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after this, he was caught talking to

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social media influencers, particularly

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Tik Tockers, on uh Israel's essential

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plan to uh take over uh this uh media

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outlet for its benefit. I just want to

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play a bit of this and then we can start

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with you, Patrick.

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>> Influencers,

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you said you talked about the woke

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right. You said I call it the woke

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right. That's a brilliant

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>> the walk right because these people you

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know they're not any different from the

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left they're insane

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but they're actually made on some of the

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things and what we have to do is we have

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to secure that part of our the base of

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our support in the United States that is

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being challenged systematically a lot of

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this is done with money money of NOS's

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fast money of governments faster okay we

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have to fight back how do we fight back

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to our influences I think you also

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brought to them if you have a chance to

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that that community. They're very

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important.

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>> And secondly, we're going to have to use

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the tools of battle. You know, the the

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weapons change over time. You can't

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fight today with the swords. That

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doesn't work very well. Okay? And you

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can't fight with the fight with cavalry.

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That doesn't work very well. And you

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have these new things, you know, like

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drones, things like that. I won't get

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into that. But we have to fight with the

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weapons that apply to the battlefield to

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engage. And the most important ones are

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social media. The most important

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purchase that is going on right now is

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>> class.

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>> Tik Tok.

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>> Tik Tok. Number one. Number one.

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>> And I hope it goes through because it's

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can be consequential.

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>> And the other one, what's the other one

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that's most important?

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>> X.

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>> Very good.

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>> So there you go. Uh Patrick, this whole

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sale of Tik Tok is uh for Israel a

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hugely important uh component of it

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waging a more effective war because what

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essentially Netanya was also seing there

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is he says we fighting with the sword

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isn't very effective uh to the we've

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seen you know hundreds of thousands of

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Palestinians be killed by uh essentially

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Israel and UK US and UK backed sword uh

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but it's not effective. what's needed is

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Tik Tok and social media and the rest to

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be taken over. Uh what's your reaction

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to this? How do you see this in light of

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this kind of growing desperation that we

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see on the part of Israel uh given uh

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its growing isolation in the world?

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Oh, uh your mic is I don't know. You're

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not muted, but

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>> Oh, sorry. Go. Um you got me now.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Yep. Got you.

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>> So Netanyahu's made a stunning a

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stunning self-indictment as usual. uh

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without meaning to. Uh but uh the the

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the whole concept of um the takeover of

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Tik Tok was based on a false premise

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that the Chinese were stealing the data

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of, you know, uh American teenagers who

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were doing like dance acts on Tik Tok

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and hot takes and whatnot, viral videos,

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totally fake that was engineered to get

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us under Joe Biden's administration. It

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began and continued under Trump. So you

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can see the bipartisan

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uh uh the bipartisan US Congress and

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Senate working on behalf of Israel. So

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it was totally disingenuous. There was

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no Chinese threat on Tik Tok. And what

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you have now you can see the endgame of

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it. And so it is Israel's uh soft power

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has tanked basically. And it's not it's

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not only tanked uh in the west but it's

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also tanking among even the Jewish

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diaspora or the international uh Jewish

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community. Uh they can no longer rely on

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the promise that Israel is the safest

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place on the planet for Jews to have a

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homeland etc. And a lot of that can be

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held at the feet of Benjamin Netanyahu.

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The the other thing that I think is uh

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interesting is how he appropriated the

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term woke right. woke right. And where

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that term originated from is interesting

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in the aftermath of October 7th and you

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had Ben Shapiro and other sort of

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Zionist uh mouthpieces uh flooding

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social media warning of uh all sorts of

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you know day of rage uh Islamic sleeper

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cells are going to rise up and so forth.

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Even Charlie Kirk himself was

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trafficking in those same uh that that

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same sort of hysteria uh in the United

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States. And people were pointing out

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that if if if you define wokeness or as

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as the right does they define wokeness

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as the kind of rabid uh outofcrol

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identity politics, well there is no

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higher form of identity politics than

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Zionism. uh this has to be the top level

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of the conception of identity politics.

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Uh for an ethnostate or religious state

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exclusive religious state running in

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apartheid system that can only be

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described as identity politics writ

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large. So that's where the term

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originally woke right came from was to

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describe people like Ben Shapiro and

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then the Fox News crowd, the uh the the

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all the Jordan Peterson crowd, the Daily

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Ride crowd then re repurposed it,

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reappropriated it to point at people on

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the right that were opposing Israel's

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genocide. You see, so it was a bit of a

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slight of hand. And you can see

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Netanyahu is is attempting to do this

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two years on, which is quite pathetic,

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actually. And the real the the real

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irony of course of that is that uh

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identity politics is the thing uh this

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is the most weaponized form of identity

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politics in human history is Zionism the

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Zionist ideology and they're using it as

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a weapon in order to try to justify one

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of the worst crimes against humanity of

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not just the modern era but I will say

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poss one of the one of the worst of all

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time certainly in living memory. So I

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think the the irony of that is quite

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amazing. I mean you could go on and on

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but the bottom line is and Nefali

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Bennett former Israeli prime minister

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said it the best. He was decrying the

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fact that they had blown 120 or 150

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million trying to buy influence across

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social media platforms post October 7th

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and we're being outnumbered by pro

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Palestinian posts 16 to1. 16 to1. And

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I'll tell you, Palestine didn't spend

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any money to get that margin of victory

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uh in terms of hearts and minds uh

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across social media.

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>> Yeah. You know, uh, Larry, the crisis of

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legitimacy in particular for Israel in

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the United States specifically is is

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getting, uh, quite bad to the point

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where you have 60% of Generation Z

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Americans saying that they are in far

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more in favor of Hamas than they are of

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Israel. And I think that this has

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something to do with why Netanyahu sees

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the sale of Tik Tok so as such an

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important weapon for itself in this

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time. What's your take on this, Larry?

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Sorry, you're muted. I can't There we

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go. It goes to the broader change and

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revolution

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um with respect to media narrative

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control. You know, I spent a brief stent

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during my time at CIA working on what

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they call covert action. How you u put

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plant stories to try to further a

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narrative. In this case, I was working

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in support of the uh to counter the

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Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

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And you know, with something like that,

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it was easy to portray the Soviets as

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the bad guys and us as the good guys,

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even though that wasn't really the

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truth. But, you know, the narrative

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worked. Um, you know, the three of you

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are really uh too young to remember uh

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the Exodus influence. Um, and the movie

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Exodus with Paul Newman came out 196061,

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but it was it was around a lot on

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television during that period. And it it

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pushed this entire David versus Goliath

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narrative in support of the Zionists

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that they were these good, humble, just,

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you know, wanting to plant olive trees

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and feed the bird kind of people and

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these nasty Arabs are running around

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raping and killing Karen, the blonde

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Norwegian girl. So, you know, and that

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that uh you know, when you're uh 10, 11,

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12 years old getting fed that

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propaganda, it's you know, it has some

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influence. Um the media was much much

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easier to control back then. Uh I just

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used these statistics earlier with Judge

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Knap. Uh in 1968

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there were a total of 54 million people

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that watched the three largest news

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broadcast stations in in in the US CBS,

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ABC, NBC.

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Of those three, CBS with Walter Kronite

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accounted for 28 million people.

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uh in August of 2016,

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those three stations

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plus Fox News, CNN, MSNBC combined had

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an audience of 27 million even though

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the United States population from 1968

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to 2016 had increased by about 140

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million people. So we had far more

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people far fewer watching. So that's why

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this whole social media space uh

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particular on the internet and you know

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with Facebook with Tik Tok uh with uh

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Twitterx

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that has you know it has created new

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challenges for the government to try to

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control it and fortunately as was the

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case during you know the Soviet Union

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when they had imposed a lot of

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restrictions upon what could be printed

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what could be published what could be

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aired. Uh at that time a a subculture

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called samisdat

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grew up in which surreptitiously

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articles that would went against the the

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the main narrative the popular narrative

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were circulating. And so in spite of

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government efforts to try to control

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shape uh and dictate what the narrative

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would be there was still just like you

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know water seeking a way through solid

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rock. it finds a way. And so that's what

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we're living with today. We're seeing

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desperate efforts of the governments in

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the United States, in Europe, and in

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Israel to try to control the narrative.

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But shows like yours, like you know what

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Patrick does, Judge Npalitano, Nema, the

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Duran, you know, you go down the list of

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and and things you may even disagree

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with, but there's so much out there, it

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actually makes it almost impossible for

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the government to control it. And that

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that's the bright side or the silver

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lining to this dark cloud.

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>> Yeah. and and and Matt, I'm curious on

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what you think about uh where this falls

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into why Israel is so um desperate to

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latch on to uh the information war with

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regard to the sale of Tik Tok and social

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media in general X because here you have

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in Israeli media with European leaders

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bowing to fringe groups, Israel must

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prepare uh written by actually

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university southern worlds UK research

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fellow for the Israel Center for Grand

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Strategy.

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in the UK. Uh this shift uh Matt in

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Europe in particular is not just Europe

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as I showed earlier. It's with younger

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Americans. The vast majority of people

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in the United States also are incredibly

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opposed to what Israel is doing and see

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the United States as a a big backer of

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this. It's it's very it's clear as day.

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Where does all this fit into this uh

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overall uh refocus or or double down

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focus on the part of Israel on

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information warfare?

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H sorry I can't you

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>> uh well their brand is is now tainted

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and uh I would say destroyed and you

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know uh Zionism is uh from the start has

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been all about uh lobbying

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um gr great power to to get what it

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wants. It obviously it the whole

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nightmare began in London with the bow

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for declaration in 1917 when the the

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British government promised Palestine to

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uh the Zionist movement. And that was

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that was a very kind that that they were

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shoehorned into that effectively by

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people like Chain Wiseman and they saw

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what they they were successful in what

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they did but they saw that they needed

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to get the great powers on their side.

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At that time, Britain was the most

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powerful country in the world if they

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wanted to get what they want. And they

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know that the whole of their existence

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relies on the population, particularly

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in the United States, but also in

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Europe, being on their side and

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supporting their government, supporting

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them. And actually, I think that that

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has the biggest rupture with that

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strategy ever has is is now in place.

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And I I believe it's never going to go

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back because the other thing is Zionism

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has also always tried to market itself

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well it markets itself different to

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different sectors but it often markets

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itself as this progressive force you

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know it's like a it's often linked to

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the history of persecution of the Jewish

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people. It's linked to um uh uh uh

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progressive ideals like socialism and

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stuff or lobby groups try and do that.

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But uh if you look at what Zionism is as

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an ideology and as an idea, it's a

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deeply regressive supremacist settler

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colonial ideology. It's not it's not got

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anything to do with progressive ideals

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or progressive sensibilities. And that

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whole fantasy and mythology, even the

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term liberal Zionism, which is an

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oxymoron, which and used a lot, it it's

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unsustainable now and it's never going

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back. So that's why and actually I think

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Netanyahu is going to find that out

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because I I actually think he's sincere

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when he says that he thinks that Tik Tok

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getting hold of Tik Tok uh through Larry

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Ellison will change the will will be

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consequential and get the population

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back on side. But I think he doesn't

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understand that it's gone way too far,

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way too far. People's eyes are open and

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especially young people. And these are

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the people that in the coming

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generations are going to be in the

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foreign office in the UK, in the State

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Department in the US. the whole

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generation coming up absolutely uh hates

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Israel and actually sees it as

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synonymous with evil, which it is. Um uh

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so I I think that it won't work. And I

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think that uh

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as as it as it becomes clearer and

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clearer that it won't work, then they're

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going to they're going to have to go to

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another strategy. And and they've

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they're even talking I mean they are

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aware uh that they've lost the world in

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to that extent. If you if you listen to

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um Netanyahu's speech the other day

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where he said we we have to plan for

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isolation and we have to plan for

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utarchy economically i.e. we have to

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produce all our own goods because we

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can't trust that we won't be hit with

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trading bargains that's quite

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significant and it it as I say the whole

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strategy because they know that they're

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a small little country to to keep the

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the grand powers on side when that kind

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of when that umbilical cord which runs

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from Washington London Berlin to Tel

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Aviv is cut which I think it will be not

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immediately but over the coming decades

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then it's going to be very hard for them

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to survive because this is a country of

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9 million people you know it's got a GDP

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smaller than Sweden. Um, it can't

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survive without the United States for

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like a couple of weeks, particularly

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militarily. So, I I I am quite hopeful

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that in the long term, Zionism uh is is

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dying and also that they won't be able

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to reverse it no matter how many social

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media platforms they they uh they buy.

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The other point is also look, they have

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they have huge control over social media

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already and still the whole world's

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turned against them. You know, Meta has

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sensors on behalf of Israel all the

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time. They've got significant numbers of

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former spies, Israeli spies working for

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them. Same with Elon Musk is a big

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supporter of Israel. Um, and and it's

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it's not worked. So, so I I think that

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it's they're going to find that out very

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quickly. uh the the the way the

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interesting question is how do we

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translate that shift in public

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consciousness around the world into

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policy changes within our own government

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because it is happening slowly and I'll

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just give you some examples from the UK

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particularly because it's not happening

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in the same way in the US because uh

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Trump is so under control of Israel but

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here just the other day the U Royal

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College of Defense Studies which is the

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most elite um UK military training

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school uh said that they will no longer

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take uh Israeli personnel. Uh it's the

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first time they've done that since it

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was created by Winston Churchill in the

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early 20th century. This is a huge uh

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significant moment. Uh they've also uh

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said that they're going to recognize

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Palestine, which I have a problem with

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this whole move, but it it but it's

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still something that they know will piss

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off the Israelis and they're still

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willing to do it. And this is at a time

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uh we're we're 2 years in. Think about

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3, four, 5 years down the line, there's

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going to be so much pressure on the

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government that they're going to have to

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start uh translating public uh opinion

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into policy. And uh there's nothing the

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Israelis can do. Uh the question is how

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does once they've become isolated and

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they're running their utarchic economy,

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how do we actually dismantle it and

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actually have some kind of justice and

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peace in uh between the river and the

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sea? And that's another question. And I

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can't see how that happens without some

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kind of holy like existential war cuz

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Israel has nukes. This is the important

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thing. You know, this is what all the

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different resistance groups including

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and governments in the region dance

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around the whole time. They This is a

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This is a country that has a a huge

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nuclear weapons article arsenal and is

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mad enough to use it for sure. In fact,

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some people said that the reason Trump

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bombed Iran was cuz um Netanyahu said,

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"Look, we don't have the technology to

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get as deep as we need to to take out

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the nuclear facilities, so I'm going to

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use a nuke." And Trump was like, "No,

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no, no, don't do that. I I'll bomb with

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the US fleet." Um I don't know if that's

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true, but but the point is we that it is

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extremely dangerous when you have this

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completely insane regime. And I'm not

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just saying that rhetorically. They are

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completely insane. They they they killed

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the most amount of journalists that have

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ever been killed by a state in one go on

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on record. the just two weeks ago in

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Yemen, uh they they've massacred people

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for for tweets. Um when you have a state

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like that that is a huge nuclear

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arsenal, this is a threat to the whole

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world. It's not just a threat to the to

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West Asia. So uh it is a scary prospect.

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Yeah. Yeah. Indeed. And uh you know uh

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Patrick uh the uh whole Tik Tok

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situation when it comes to the sale uh

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there are of course reports that it's

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going to be Oracle that that will uh

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gain majority ownership and it's a

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pro-Israel tech firm whose uh uh main uh

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venture capitalist Larry Ellison is one

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of Silicon Valley's most prominent

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pro-Israel figures according to the

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cradle and has made significant

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donations to to the friends of the

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Israel Defense Forces. So, there's

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obviously a direct connection that

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Netanyahu is drawing given that uh one

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of Israel's most wealthy and largest

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friends uh will be taking control of it.

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What's your assessment? What's your

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reaction?

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>> Well, I think it goes a lot deeper than

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that. Uh Danny, uh even look look at the

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UK the Starr uh government's pushing

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hard to implement a digital ID. Uh, and

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who is the frontman for this project? In

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fact, who's been the frontman for the

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digital ID in the UK since long before

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Kier Starmer was sworn in as prime

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minister is Tony Blair. So, a war

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criminal Tony Blair whose uh whose

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foundation has garnered uh no less than

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$300 million from guess who? Larry

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Ellison. So clearly there's an interest

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uh with Larry Ellison, Oracle and these

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sort this sort of tech empire to run the

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backend uh for databases for this uh new

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uh digital ID program which basically

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will be ubiquitous across all systems

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and centralizing uh a centralized node

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for every sort of citizen and it this

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will be gateways for uh everything

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internet access social media banking uh

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right to work and etc etc. So clearly

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this is a technocratic endun around

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basic rights and right to privacy and so

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forth and it can be hugely politicized.

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So when you consider that and Larry

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Ellison being Israel's one of their

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biggest assets uh on on the planet in

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terms of a tech mogul and then you drill

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down even further and you realize at

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some point during the founding stages of

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Oracle that the central intelligence

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agency were uh deeply involved in this

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and many other similar enterprises.

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Larry Johnson can probably comment on

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this area, but you have venture capital

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firms like Inqutell uh that are

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routinely involved in providing the seed

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funding and seeding the board initially

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of board members of some of these

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corporations. There's a joke in Brazil,

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Danny, I don't know if you heard it, but

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the some Brazilians will will laugh and

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say, "We don't decide our elections.

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Oracle decides our elections." So all of

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these uh systems, electronic voting

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systems, election systems have been road

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tested uh in so-called third world

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countries by uh United States

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intelligence with their uh te tech

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moguls. And these can also be deployed

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in America. They can be deployed in

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Britain in across Europe and if they're

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not already being deployed in that

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fashion. So in in terms of you know

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manufacturing consent or uh election

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outcomes uh certainly you've got a prime

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minister in Britain that is absolutely

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will you know go to the wall for Israel

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no matter what they do that's pretty

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pretty clear but in a in a a prime

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minister with a very low approval rating

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and right across Europe you have all

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these leaders that are clinging to you

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know a mandate with you know 20 high 20%

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low 30% and co stitch together with

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flimsy coalitions that so there's no way

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they can represent what the public uh

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majority want or believe or feel. And

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the United States goes in for the same

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thing in the United States. Um but yet

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and and when it comes to supporting

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Israel, you could end up in the next 10

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years having governments that support

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Israel still, but people that are just

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totally against it. Um and I think

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you're already seeing that now. So this

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again this gulf uh increases between

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where the public are and where the elite

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bureaucracy are and where the big uh

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billionaire oligarch class are. And of

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course many of those oligarchs whether

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they're Christians or whether they're

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Jewish, they're all Zionist. That's the

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thing they have in common.

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>> Yeah, very good points. And I think that

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can bring us to the last segment I

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wanted to cover. And actually it's a bit

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of a a breaking story. I don't know how

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breaking it is really given that um it's

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all happening on one side uh Patrick as

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you mentioned uh the kind of

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bureaucratic oligarch uh class side and

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not so much the Palestinian side but

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there is news of a uh so-called uh peace

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deal that Trump has unveiled uh the the

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details have come out after meeting with

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Netanyahu in Washington and here they

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are it stipul ulates that the conflict

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would end immediately if accepted by

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both Israel and Hamas. All hostages

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would be uh who have either died or or

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who remain would be returned 72 hours of

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the agreement. It would also see Israel

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release over 2,000 prisoners and Israel

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would not be able to occupy or annex

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Gaza. And it encourages Gaza residents

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to stay in place, but there's going to

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be a panel of experts to rebuild and

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energize quote unquote the Gaza Strip.

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Now, the plans of course and this has

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been something that has been a huge

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stipulation even in the so-called

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recognition drive by European countries

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in the UK. It calls for Hamas not to

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have any direct or indirect role in the

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governance of Gaza. Instead, handing

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control of the territory to a quote

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unquote technocratic a-olitical

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Palestinian committee responsible for

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delivering day-to-day running of public

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services. It would be overseen by a

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board of peace headed and shared by

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Trump himself and involve participation

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of other world leaders and you'll like

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this one Matt including UK prime

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minister uh Tony Blair former UK prime

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minister. So let's start with you Larry.

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you know I uh Hamas the resistance in

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Palestine has not really been consulted

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on this uh what's your assessment on uh

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or reaction to this development given

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that the resistance as of right now is

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still fighting and fighting very hard

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>> it's a propaganda show look there are 14

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other Palestinian groups

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the Palestinian Islamic Jihad

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uh Popular Front for the liberation of

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Palestine.

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Um, you know, I I I I can't remember

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them all. So, yeah, they're not going

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away either.

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Um, this may be Israel's face saving way

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to try to get out of a of a very

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intractable situation. You know, they

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launched their re offensive to wipe out

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Hamas in Gaza City three weeks ago. This

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is the start of the third week. How are

57:20.720 --> 57:22.079
they doing?

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Well, the reports today are that the

57:24.880 --> 57:27.200
Israeli helicopters were quite active

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evacuating casualties, Israeli

57:30.480 --> 57:35.200
casualties from Gaza City. So, the Kasam

57:35.200 --> 57:39.119
brigade is not going anywhere. Uh the

57:39.119 --> 57:40.480
the other thing we don't really have a

57:40.480 --> 57:43.200
lot of good information on is I

57:43.200 --> 57:45.040
guarantee you there are commercial

57:45.040 --> 57:47.040
relationships

57:47.040 --> 57:50.400
between members of uh Israel's polite

57:50.400 --> 57:54.240
society and Hamas. We know from the past

57:54.240 --> 57:56.960
that you know Mossad was dealing with

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Hamas whether uh you know undercover or

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in or without cover. Nonetheless, they

58:04.880 --> 58:07.200
had commercial relationships where money

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was being uh moved back and forth. Uh I

58:11.200 --> 58:14.319
I saw the start of the press conference

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and who walks in with just before Donald

58:17.760 --> 58:21.280
Trump, Jared Kushner, Mr. I want to

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develop the beaches in Gaza Man.

58:24.319 --> 58:26.720
So, you know, I don't doubt that there

58:26.720 --> 58:30.559
are some nefarious plans of foot to like

58:30.559 --> 58:32.799
the proverbial camel slipping its nose

58:32.799 --> 58:36.160
under the tent. Uh, this is to get Jared

58:36.160 --> 58:38.880
Kushner's feet in the water there off

58:38.880 --> 58:43.440
the Gaza shores and to retake Gaza, not

58:43.440 --> 58:46.240
by fighting and killing, but by building

58:46.240 --> 58:48.640
and taking property and forcing the

58:48.640 --> 58:52.079
Palestinians out. So, uh, while while I

58:52.079 --> 58:54.960
hope for an end to the fighting, uh,

58:54.960 --> 58:57.200
this is not going to solve the

58:57.200 --> 58:59.760
underlying problem. And look, we just

58:59.760 --> 59:02.000
had BB Netanyahu last week at the United

59:02.000 --> 59:03.520
Nations,

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sparsely attended, I might add, uh, make

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it very clear, there will be no

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two-state solution. Period.

59:13.280 --> 59:16.640
So, here's Trump talking his plan, and I

59:16.640 --> 59:18.240
don't think he paid attention to what BB

59:18.240 --> 59:21.119
said last week.

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Yeah. And Matt, u uh I just want to

59:24.400 --> 59:26.640
remind and unmute yourself uh first, but

59:26.640 --> 59:28.960
please uh your reaction to this. I mean,

59:28.960 --> 59:31.040
you have Tony Blair sitting on this

59:31.040 --> 59:33.920
quote unquote board of peace headed by

59:33.920 --> 59:36.079
Donald Trump. No consultation with the

59:36.079 --> 59:38.160
Palestinian resistance, which is to

59:38.160 --> 59:40.079
engage in heavy fighting in places like

59:40.079 --> 59:43.200
Kununas and other areas of Gaza directly

59:43.200 --> 59:45.520
with the Israeli regime. And of course,

59:45.520 --> 59:46.880
you have the rest of the resistance that

59:46.880 --> 59:49.839
has not let up. Uh what's your take on

59:49.839 --> 59:54.559
this uh uh breaking uh plan that Trump

59:54.559 --> 59:58.160
is trying to push through um you know on

59:58.160 --> 01:00:00.880
all sides of this conflict given its

01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:02.480
complicity in it?

01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:04.079
>> Well, first of all, the Tony Blair

01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:05.839
issue, I mean, it's like a horror movie

01:00:05.839 --> 01:00:09.440
really, isn't it? This guy is like a a

01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:12.079
Dracula. He's just sucks blood wherever

01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:16.079
he goes. He's This is a guy that was uh

01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:18.559
led my country into an illegal war in

01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:22.000
Iraq where hundreds of British soldiers

01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.240
died or up to a million Iraqis were

01:00:24.240 --> 01:00:26.319
killed, the whole region was destroyed.

01:00:26.319 --> 01:00:29.119
He should be in prison. So, let alone

01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:32.400
the fact that he's chosen to to to be

01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:34.799
part of the the governing committee or

01:00:34.799 --> 01:00:37.359
or whatever Trump's calling it um is is

01:00:37.359 --> 01:00:40.240
sick. And uh it just again it's an

01:00:40.240 --> 01:00:42.319
imposition. the whole they this is this

01:00:42.319 --> 01:00:45.760
is the US role in the Israel Palestine

01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:48.000
conflict from the start. You know they

01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:50.799
they they're they've run the so-called

01:00:50.799 --> 01:00:52.480
police peace process but they're on

01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:54.079
Israel's side and have been from the

01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:56.480
beginning. So how that that's why it's

01:00:56.480 --> 01:01:00.720
so intractable. Uh Trump's record on on

01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:02.720
Israel is appalling. He moved the the

01:01:02.720 --> 01:01:06.160
the embassy to Jerusalem in his first

01:01:06.160 --> 01:01:07.839
term and then there was the great march

01:01:07.839 --> 01:01:09.920
of return at the same time and they and

01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:13.040
he didn't say a word as Israeli snipers

01:01:13.040 --> 01:01:15.599
massacred nurses and uh health workers

01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:17.599
and peaceful protesters who were just

01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:19.119
walking to the gates of their prisons.

01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:22.400
So uh I don't I don't recognize them as

01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:26.079
having any right to impose a solution on

01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:28.559
Gaza. And and if you look at the I was

01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:30.480
just looking at some of the fine print

01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:31.359
of what they're saying. And they're

01:01:31.359 --> 01:01:32.319
saying there's going to be a security

01:01:32.319 --> 01:01:34.160
buffer zone, one of which uh part of

01:01:34.160 --> 01:01:35.200
which will be the whole of the

01:01:35.200 --> 01:01:37.440
Philadelphia corridor, the refer the

01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:39.920
border with refer. So that Gaza is going

01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.799
to shrink. Uh I I don't know. Obviously,

01:01:42.799 --> 01:01:45.280
it's got Hamas obviously uh and other

01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:47.200
resistance groups have got have had no

01:01:47.200 --> 01:01:52.079
input into this um uh uh so-called deal

01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.319
uh peace deal. But again, that that's

01:01:54.319 --> 01:01:56.240
emblematic of the of the way it's worked

01:01:56.240 --> 01:01:57.440
from the start. you there was a

01:01:57.440 --> 01:01:59.760
ceasefire agreement that Hamas was

01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:02.319
basically close to 100% agreeing with

01:02:02.319 --> 01:02:05.359
and then Israel bombed the mediators in

01:02:05.359 --> 01:02:08.799
Qatar. Uh these Israel is not going to

01:02:08.799 --> 01:02:11.599
accept anything other than what they

01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:14.160
exactly what they want. Um and they're

01:02:14.160 --> 01:02:16.559
it's a maximalist regime. Uh and they

01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:18.880
got control of the Trump White House. So

01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:20.400
I don't know what will happen with this

01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:23.200
whether Hamas uh probably won't accept

01:02:23.200 --> 01:02:26.640
it. But um again uh as Larry mentioned

01:02:26.640 --> 01:02:29.839
it that you we we should listen to

01:02:29.839 --> 01:02:31.599
Israeli ministers when they tell us what

01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:33.119
their vision for Gaza is because they

01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:34.559
have told us from the start going back

01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:36.079
to when Gallant said that he was going

01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:38.480
to starve 2.3 million people not allow

01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:40.880
any food, water and electricity. But

01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:43.839
even more recently Smott uh uh the

01:02:43.839 --> 01:02:46.400
finance minister said that in a few

01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:47.760
months there will be no one left in

01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:49.599
Gaza. We're going to destroy the whole

01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:51.599
thing. Ben Gavir is uh the security

01:02:51.599 --> 01:02:53.280
minister has said similar things. So I

01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:56.000
think their idea they they in my opinion

01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:59.359
they saw October 7th as their 9/11 and

01:02:59.359 --> 01:03:02.799
their fi as as their and the pretext to

01:03:02.799 --> 01:03:04.960
finally solve their so-called Pal

01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:06.960
Palestinian problem. The Palestinian

01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:08.799
problem for them is a whole reservoir of

01:03:08.799 --> 01:03:10.319
indigenous people that they've displaced

01:03:10.319 --> 01:03:11.680
and kicked off their land and put in

01:03:11.680 --> 01:03:13.680
prisons. What do you do with them? And

01:03:13.680 --> 01:03:16.319
they uh obviously people put in a prison

01:03:16.319 --> 01:03:19.440
are going to respond and and uh uh

01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:22.480
resist. Uh and so they want to just get

01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:24.240
rid of them. Uh and I think they they

01:03:24.240 --> 01:03:26.799
they that is their end goal. They are

01:03:26.799 --> 01:03:28.880
not This is what I look every we've all

01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:30.480
seen the images of Gaza, right? And

01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:31.680
they're doing the same thing to Gaza

01:03:31.680 --> 01:03:34.480
City now, right? It's destroyed. They've

01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:36.720
erased it. Every highrise has been taken

01:03:36.720 --> 01:03:38.640
down in Gaza City over the past couple

01:03:38.640 --> 01:03:40.720
of weeks. Uh and the ministers have been

01:03:40.720 --> 01:03:42.160
celebrating it. Israel Catz was

01:03:42.160 --> 01:03:43.839
celebrating the highest highrise going

01:03:43.839 --> 01:03:46.559
down today. uh the defense minister. Um

01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:48.720
they're not doing that to allow the

01:03:48.720 --> 01:03:51.039
Palestinians to go back. That's not what

01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:53.039
you do if you want to rebuild with what

01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:54.799
they're doing is they're raising it.

01:03:54.799 --> 01:03:58.319
It's a year zero thing. Uh and they're

01:03:58.319 --> 01:03:59.680
going to rebuild it without

01:03:59.680 --> 01:04:01.359
Palestinians. And there was a plan that

01:04:01.359 --> 01:04:05.760
was leaked from Netanyahu um uh maybe

01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:08.160
about a year ago where uh where they

01:04:08.160 --> 01:04:10.880
envisioned like a new uh Dubai, you

01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:12.880
know, like and and and the new plan from

01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.280
Trump does me mention special economic

01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:17.039
zones and special economic zones I've

01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:18.400
done a lot of work on. They're basically

01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:23.359
just corporate utopias. So uh uh I I it

01:04:23.359 --> 01:04:25.280
won't work. It won't work. And as as as

01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:26.799
have been mentioned by other people, the

01:04:26.799 --> 01:04:29.839
resistance is still fighting in Kunis,

01:04:29.839 --> 01:04:31.520
but also in other areas in Gaza City.

01:04:31.520 --> 01:04:35.520
Today there was an operation. Um so uh

01:04:35.520 --> 01:04:37.359
are they just going to accept the fact

01:04:37.359 --> 01:04:39.520
that they have to completely down all

01:04:39.520 --> 01:04:41.920
their weapons? They have to accept that

01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:43.920
they're they they're living under this

01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:46.480
genocidal power and they're living under

01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:48.400
uh uh the control of Tony Blair and

01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:49.839
Donald Trump. I don't think they will

01:04:49.839 --> 01:04:51.280
accept it and they shouldn't accept it

01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:53.119
to be honest because obviously we all

01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:54.240
want to see an end to the fighting and

01:04:54.240 --> 01:04:59.359
the genocide but if they if if if they

01:04:59.359 --> 01:05:02.240
put through this plan that I believe the

01:05:02.240 --> 01:05:03.760
end goal will be to completely

01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.079
depopulate uh Palestine and behind

01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:07.440
closed door they're probably aware of

01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:08.640
that they're probably talking about that

01:05:08.640 --> 01:05:10.079
probably saying well it's too hard we

01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:12.079
can't move the people we want cuz they

01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:13.520
tried you know half a million people

01:05:13.520 --> 01:05:15.599
have left Gaza city over the past week

01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.520
but there's still hundreds of thousands

01:05:17.520 --> 01:05:18.799
of people there they haven't been able

01:05:18.799 --> 01:05:20.400
to do what they wanted, which was to

01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:22.640
depopulate and move everyone to al-

01:05:22.640 --> 01:05:24.720
Mauasi near Kunis. They haven't been

01:05:24.720 --> 01:05:26.799
able to do it. So, this is maybe a stop

01:05:26.799 --> 01:05:28.640
gap where they'll stabilize it and then

01:05:28.640 --> 01:05:30.960
they'll find more peaceful ways to or

01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:32.319
more effective ways to move the

01:05:32.319 --> 01:05:34.480
Palestinians and eventually find a third

01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:36.079
country that will take them. That's what

01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:38.240
I believe their plan is. So, I think

01:05:38.240 --> 01:05:40.079
yeah, it's propaganda. It's uh it's

01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:42.960
either set up for Hamas to reject or or

01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.359
it's set up to be the prelude to a

01:05:45.359 --> 01:05:48.160
depopulation and and occupation,

01:05:48.160 --> 01:05:50.160
complete occupation, rebuilding it as a

01:05:50.160 --> 01:05:52.640
real estate bonanza for for the Israelis

01:05:52.640 --> 01:05:55.520
and the Americans.

01:05:55.520 --> 01:05:59.680
>> Yeah. And uh you know, Patrick uh Matt

01:05:59.680 --> 01:06:00.960
says, "Yeah, the resistance hasn't

01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:03.359
stopped." This includes also Yemen. We

01:06:03.359 --> 01:06:06.559
see the Red Sea ships continue uh to be

01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:09.200
attacked. Those who are Israeli linked,

01:06:09.200 --> 01:06:11.680
they are getting attacked by Yemen. And

01:06:11.680 --> 01:06:14.400
of course uh given that the Palestinian

01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:16.319
resistance and Palestinian leadership

01:06:16.319 --> 01:06:19.680
have not been uh consulted on this uh

01:06:19.680 --> 01:06:22.319
that won't stop the the Red Sea blockade

01:06:22.319 --> 01:06:26.400
nor the um you know targeting of Israeli

01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:28.960
strategic sites by Yemen ballistic

01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:31.200
missiles. And then there's this I wanted

01:06:31.200 --> 01:06:34.480
to play you this because uh there's a

01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:38.000
lot of I think suspicions that of course

01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:39.760
any kind of peace plan quote unquote

01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:41.680
pushed through by Trump is really just

01:06:41.680 --> 01:06:43.440
serving Israel. So much so that we have

01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.079
Netanyahu. He's been going around the

01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:48.720
mainstream media of late almost running

01:06:48.720 --> 01:06:51.760
interference for himself trying to show

01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:53.839
that he is not in control that there's

01:06:53.839 --> 01:06:56.079
no one in control that Israel has no

01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:57.359
role. Well, I mean, we saw this with the

01:06:57.359 --> 01:06:59.359
whole Charlie Kirk debacle where he had

01:06:59.359 --> 01:07:01.359
to go on Twitter and then mainstream

01:07:01.359 --> 01:07:03.039
media and say, "Ah, we didn't do

01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:04.799
anything." Over and over and over again.

01:07:04.799 --> 01:07:07.039
Here he goes again talking to mainstream

01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:10.960
media about this claim that he is in the

01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:12.480
Israeli regime is essentially

01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:14.240
influencing and controlling the Trump

01:07:14.240 --> 01:07:15.200
administration.

01:07:15.200 --> 01:07:17.280
>> President Trump has been an incredible

01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:19.839
ally of Israel, uh incredible friend.

01:07:19.839 --> 01:07:22.079
We've had uh no one like him. what he

01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:24.640
did in his first term uh in recognizing

01:07:24.640 --> 01:07:26.559
Jerusalem as our capital, moving the

01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:28.960
American embassy there, recognizing our

01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:30.960
sovereignty over the Goran Heights,

01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:33.119
getting out of the disastrous Iran deal,

01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:36.720
and then of course now uh joining us in

01:07:36.720 --> 01:07:39.760
the effort to uh prevent Iran from

01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.160
getting nuclear weapons by taking out uh

01:07:42.160 --> 01:07:44.400
some of these nuclear sites with us. I

01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:46.559
think it's great. I read somewhere this

01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:49.280
ridiculous I mean this ridiculous lie.

01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:52.319
President Trump does what he does

01:07:52.319 --> 01:07:54.960
because he decides what's in America's

01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:57.760
best interest. And I've said this often.

01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:00.079
You know, I don't decide a thing for

01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:02.000
President Trump. He is the most

01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:06.039
independent leader in Americ.

01:08:10.319 --> 01:08:13.440
So, uh, Netanyahu, I don't know if he

01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:17.040
would ask that, but he is not he has no

01:08:17.040 --> 01:08:19.839
uh no influence over Trump. Uh, they

01:08:19.839 --> 01:08:21.759
didn't sign anything for Trump. Uh,

01:08:21.759 --> 01:08:24.799
Patrick, your your thoughts about about

01:08:24.799 --> 01:08:26.400
this and what this peace plan shows

01:08:26.400 --> 01:08:29.199
about Israel's interference in US

01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:31.920
politics. Well, first off the bat, uh,

01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:34.319
reportage, uh, says the opposite, uh,

01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:36.640
that Netanyahu himself is making, uh,

01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:39.920
cabinet calls directly, uh, and via Miam

01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:41.839
Adlesen and some of the big donors that

01:08:41.839 --> 01:08:43.920
basically purchased the White House uh,

01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:46.960
in the 2024 election. So they in fact

01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:48.799
the uh and it's worth pointing out once

01:08:48.799 --> 01:08:52.319
again that the entire cabinet anybody

01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:55.679
that touches national security or uh

01:08:55.679 --> 01:08:59.359
that touches foreign policy uh had to be

01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:03.199
pro- Israel and were shortlisted by the

01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:05.520
Israeli donor class by the Israeli

01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:07.920
lobby. Okay. So that's the level of

01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:10.159
penetration of quote foreign

01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:12.560
interference. Uh the thing they accused

01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:14.960
Russia of doing for the last 10 years.

01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:16.640
That's the level of penetration into

01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:19.600
this uh Trump White House. So, it's

01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:21.520
unprecedented. Uh it's never been seen

01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:22.960
before. And by the way, that's probably

01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:24.799
why they're dropping the ball so badly

01:09:24.799 --> 01:09:27.679
on Ukraine and Russia because everybody

01:09:27.679 --> 01:09:29.679
in from the State Department right

01:09:29.679 --> 01:09:32.319
across the board are only equipped and

01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:34.159
care about one issue and that's Israel.

01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:36.239
Period. Is it good for Israel? Is it bad

01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:38.640
for Israel? So, that's that. Look, the

01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:40.560
the leak on this so-called peace plan

01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:43.040
was a strategic leak. That should tell

01:09:43.040 --> 01:09:45.520
you straight away this thing is a

01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:48.880
complete scam. Okay. Uh Jared Kushner,

01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:51.120
the president-in-law, as we used to call

01:09:51.120 --> 01:09:54.320
him, the president-in-law, uh he was the

01:09:54.320 --> 01:09:56.960
sort of guy who uh carried the Abraham

01:09:56.960 --> 01:10:00.560
Accords. Okay. He fronted that whole uh

01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:03.360
joke of a peace plan. And the the the

01:10:03.360 --> 01:10:05.120
feature about the Abraham Accords is

01:10:05.120 --> 01:10:06.560
that they never consulted the

01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:08.239
Palestinians. and the Palestinians

01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.000
weren't involved at all in this great

01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.159
grand peace bargain uh for the Middle

01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:14.080
East. And Trump still believes he should

01:10:14.080 --> 01:10:16.400
get a Nobel Prize for it when in fact it

01:10:16.400 --> 01:10:18.000
was the Abraham Accords that probably

01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:20.239
accelerated the conditions for October

01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:22.880
7th to happen. Um so you get anything

01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:25.040
but the Nobel Peace Prize for that. But

01:10:25.040 --> 01:10:27.040
because because of that the they're

01:10:27.040 --> 01:10:29.120
doing the same the normal Israeli

01:10:29.120 --> 01:10:31.760
negotiation strategy is to make some

01:10:31.760 --> 01:10:34.800
kind of an impossible bargain deal um

01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:36.719
and usually ineps absentia of the

01:10:36.719 --> 01:10:38.480
counterparty negotiating in this case

01:10:38.480 --> 01:10:41.600
Hamas and then if it's rejected or if

01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:44.080
it's not accepted um then they say oh

01:10:44.080 --> 01:10:46.320
it's a perfectly good deal and we uh we

01:10:46.320 --> 01:10:48.880
we offered Arafat or whoever the

01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:50.960
Palestinian negotiator whoever's alive

01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:53.120
to negotiate on behalf of the

01:10:53.120 --> 01:10:55.040
Palestinians or Hamas Oh, it was a

01:10:55.040 --> 01:10:57.120
perfectly good deal. Trump is adopting

01:10:57.120 --> 01:10:59.760
verbatim the exact same tactic. He's

01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:01.520
even using this against the Russians.

01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:03.120
Oh, we offered a perfectly good deal and

01:11:03.120 --> 01:11:05.280
they didn't accept it. Same thing here.

01:11:05.280 --> 01:11:07.840
So, this thing is designed to fail. But

01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:10.560
you read read the fine print on this.

01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:14.320
The fine print. If Hamas leaders agree

01:11:14.320 --> 01:11:17.600
to leave Gaza, that's part of the

01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:20.880
conditions. Okay. So, and and so are

01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:22.800
they going to go to Qar and they say,

01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:24.719
"Well, we'll give Qatar an amnesty as

01:11:24.719 --> 01:11:27.360
long as they comply for this this term

01:11:27.360 --> 01:11:28.880
right here." The other place where they

01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:30.560
might go is Egypt because there's a lot

01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:32.480
of pressure on Egypt from the Egyptian

01:11:32.480 --> 01:11:35.600
public to step up and basically uh head

01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:38.080
off what is a a huge humanitarian

01:11:38.080 --> 01:11:39.840
disaster and just an unthinkable

01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:43.600
situation um in Gaza. And so, uh just

01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:45.679
like clockwork, what do you have this

01:11:45.679 --> 01:11:48.719
week? go to the New York Times and they

01:11:48.719 --> 01:11:50.880
said, "Ah, Israeli officials

01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:53.840
spokesperson is concerned that Hamas

01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:56.320
terrorists have uh crossed over the

01:11:56.320 --> 01:11:59.600
border into the Sinai along with uh uh

01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:02.239
anything uh like 100,000 medical

01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:05.440
evacuees uh and people fleeing uh the

01:12:05.440 --> 01:12:08.400
Gaza Strip. Okay. So they're creating

01:12:08.400 --> 01:12:12.960
the conditions for a 1978

01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:16.239
uh PLO South Lebanon trap. And that's

01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:18.800
was the pretext Israel used to attack

01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:21.679
Lebanon to invade and occupy South

01:12:21.679 --> 01:12:24.000
Lebanon. And they occupied for over two

01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:26.800
decades effectively. So they're they are

01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:29.840
engineering the identical trap with

01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:33.120
Israel, with Egypt and the Sinai. And by

01:12:33.120 --> 01:12:34.640
doing that, if they can claim they have

01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:36.480
intelligence or they can push

01:12:36.480 --> 01:12:38.800
Palestinians into the Sinai, that gives

01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:42.320
Israel and the IDF uh license to attack

01:12:42.320 --> 01:12:44.640
what they call terrorist targets in

01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:46.960
Egypt. And where is that going to end?

01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:49.360
Okay. And so I I think this is the thing

01:12:49.360 --> 01:12:51.920
you're you're looking at a a big scam

01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:54.239
that is underway now. And the last thing

01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:56.560
they have intended to do is any kind of

01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:59.120
peace ceasefire or stop the fighting.

01:12:59.120 --> 01:13:00.800
Israel always does one thing in

01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:03.360
negotiations. that's they drag they drag

01:13:03.360 --> 01:13:05.840
it on to change facts on the ground and

01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:07.679
right now they're they're they're just

01:13:07.679 --> 01:13:10.000
about done partitioning the West Bank.

01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:13.840
Okay. Uh by isolating East Jerusalem and

01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:16.719
so that whole situation and and annexing

01:13:16.719 --> 01:13:19.280
the Jordan Valley. Okay, that's all in

01:13:19.280 --> 01:13:21.760
motion right now. That's all underway.

01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:24.480
And the to to them to the to the hard

01:13:24.480 --> 01:13:26.400
right which is all of Israel at this

01:13:26.400 --> 01:13:28.560
point. Israel has shifted so far to the

01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:31.199
right. Um it's uh it's it's they're

01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:33.520
looking at this as the final five yards

01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:36.719
of the the end final solution for Gaza.

01:13:36.719 --> 01:13:38.880
That that's how they are seeing it. This

01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:41.280
is how they're publicly articulating it.

01:13:41.280 --> 01:13:43.760
So all of this stuff with peace deals,

01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:45.600
Trump ceasefire, I wouldn't trust them

01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:47.920
as far as you could throw them. And I'll

01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:49.120
leave it there.

01:13:49.120 --> 01:13:51.440
>> Yeah. Yeah. And Larry and and Matt,

01:13:51.440 --> 01:13:53.360
maybe we can end with your final

01:13:53.360 --> 01:13:55.920
comments. Uh as Patrick was talking

01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:58.159
about the folly of uh trusting

01:13:58.159 --> 01:14:01.760
negotiations that have any uh role of

01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:04.480
the United States and Israel in them uh

01:14:04.480 --> 01:14:10.400
in the press conference about this uh he

01:14:10.400 --> 01:14:12.560
says this Donald Trump everyone has

01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:14.640
accepted this plan. I have a feeling

01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:16.080
we're going to get a positive answers.

01:14:16.080 --> 01:14:18.880
If not as you know BB you have our full

01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:21.360
backing to do what you have to do. And I

01:14:21.360 --> 01:14:24.800
think that sums up exactly what the US's

01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:26.960
and Trump's posture has been on this

01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:29.120
from the very beginning, always with

01:14:29.120 --> 01:14:31.199
that caveat in there that Israel

01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:34.640
essentially has absolutely no um no

01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:37.520
leash on it whatsoever. Uh Larry, uh

01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:39.280
you're muted, so unmute before you

01:14:39.280 --> 01:14:41.040
start, but yes, please. You're

01:14:41.040 --> 01:14:42.560
>> Well, I agree. You know, I think Patrick

01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:44.880
did a great job of outlining both the

01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:47.600
historical context that this is, you

01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:50.400
know, this is deja vu all over again as

01:14:50.400 --> 01:14:53.360
Yogi Barra said, uh, you know, it's it's

01:14:53.360 --> 01:14:57.120
the past repeating, uh, at least along

01:14:57.120 --> 01:14:59.920
the same chords. Maybe some of the

01:14:59.920 --> 01:15:02.320
specific notes are off, but the basic

01:15:02.320 --> 01:15:06.239
chord structure is the same. Uh and

01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:07.920
Netanyahu apparently at this press

01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:09.360
conference because I've been seeing you

01:15:09.360 --> 01:15:11.520
know getting some flashes across my

01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:14.880
screen basically reiterated that you

01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:19.120
know the a Palestinian state is still

01:15:19.120 --> 01:15:25.520
unacceptable to Israel and this entire

01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:30.080
um fantasy about you know Israel being

01:15:30.080 --> 01:15:32.159
this Zionist state and what I mean by

01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:36.159
fantasy is its population

01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:39.600
80% of the population came from Europe

01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:42.000
primarily because you go back and you

01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:44.400
look at the census that was taken first

01:15:44.400 --> 01:15:48.239
in 1922 then in 1931

01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:51.840
uh the Jewish population in 1931 was

01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:54.480
like 174,000

01:15:54.480 --> 01:15:57.600
uh the Palestinian population

01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:00.320
was close to 800,000

01:16:00.320 --> 01:16:03.440
and then within 20 years uh the the

01:16:03.440 --> 01:16:06.320
numbers had and completely flipped that

01:16:06.320 --> 01:16:10.000
you had millions of of Jews. Well, they

01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:13.520
they just fall out of the sky. So, the

01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:14.880
you know, they've stolen the land.

01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:17.040
They're not about to give back that

01:16:17.040 --> 01:16:20.400
stolen land. And uh it's going to be up

01:16:20.400 --> 01:16:23.440
to Hamas and the various resistance

01:16:23.440 --> 01:16:26.159
groups to either find a way to fight it,

01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:28.880
continue fighting, and ultimately weaken

01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:32.960
Israel or or be eliminated. I I would

01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:35.040
simply note that, you know, three weeks

01:16:35.040 --> 01:16:39.040
ago, Israel launched its operation to

01:16:39.040 --> 01:16:42.080
take full control of Gaza City. Well,

01:16:42.080 --> 01:16:44.560
here we are three weeks later.

01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:46.960
You've got the Israeli military, Israeli

01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:48.960
Defense Force with every single

01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:52.560
advantage an army could have. I mean,

01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:55.040
they've got full control of the air.

01:16:55.040 --> 01:16:56.960
They've got overhead satellites. They've

01:16:56.960 --> 01:16:59.520
got all sorts of intelligence collection

01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:02.080
systems. They have artillery. They have

01:17:02.080 --> 01:17:03.600
tanks. They have armored personnel

01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:05.360
carriers.

01:17:05.360 --> 01:17:10.719
And yet, and they have Hamas bottled up

01:17:10.719 --> 01:17:13.520
in a specific area. You know, that's

01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:15.360
sort of like having Jim Buouie and Davy

01:17:15.360 --> 01:17:18.400
Crockett later locked in at the Alamo.

01:17:18.400 --> 01:17:21.679
And yet, Israel can't beat him. They

01:17:21.679 --> 01:17:25.040
can't defeat him. They've had, for God's

01:17:25.040 --> 01:17:27.920
sake, now two years, two full years to

01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:31.280
try. And it's not, you know, you hear

01:17:31.280 --> 01:17:33.120
all these idiot western analysts make

01:17:33.120 --> 01:17:35.360
fun about, oh, the Russians haven't

01:17:35.360 --> 01:17:38.159
taken much territory. Yeah, they're

01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:42.000
fighting a NATO pure force, a NATO force

01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:44.239
that has almost every kind of weapon

01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:46.719
system that Russia has. And in spite of

01:17:46.719 --> 01:17:49.040
that, Russia keeps moving forward. It

01:17:49.040 --> 01:17:51.520
keeps killing more of them, unlike the

01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:54.560
Israelis who have a confined area locked

01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:59.040
in and they can't defeat it.

01:17:59.040 --> 01:18:01.120
that and right you know today as I

01:18:01.120 --> 01:18:02.960
mentioned earlier they're taking more

01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:06.640
casualties and so I I think Hamas is

01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:08.320
content to try to bleed them out if they

01:18:08.320 --> 01:18:10.960
can because Israel cannot sustain the

01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:12.480
casualties

01:18:12.480 --> 01:18:14.640
they will uh they're already down about

01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:16.560
two million people since the start of

01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:18.960
the war.

01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:21.920
>> Yeah Matt, uh your final thoughts? Uh, I

01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:24.400
I've always found this to be one of the

01:18:24.400 --> 01:18:28.400
most um the stark points uh that Larry

01:18:28.400 --> 01:18:30.880
just brought up is you do have the

01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:32.960
resistance just they don't they don't

01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:34.800
give up. Uh not only do they not give

01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:39.679
up, but uh essentially Gaza is itself uh

01:18:39.679 --> 01:18:41.760
what many have said is a prison

01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:44.320
literally built to do what is happening

01:18:44.320 --> 01:18:45.920
to the Palestinians right now, a

01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:48.080
genocide. And yet the resistance doesn't

01:18:48.080 --> 01:18:50.960
stop. And I think this is a huge problem

01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:52.400
both for the Israeli regime and the

01:18:52.400 --> 01:18:54.400
United States which sees of course Gaza

01:18:54.400 --> 01:18:56.080
and Palestine as a big part of its

01:18:56.080 --> 01:18:59.040
overall power projection in the region.

01:18:59.040 --> 01:19:02.080
So your final thoughts on the situation

01:19:02.080 --> 01:19:05.120
um overall the peace plan etc. wherever

01:19:05.120 --> 01:19:07.679
you want to go with it.

01:19:07.679 --> 01:19:11.199
>> Uh sorry you're muted.

01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:13.360
>> I I think that the resistance point is

01:19:13.360 --> 01:19:16.480
is huge. you know, like you've had two

01:19:16.480 --> 01:19:19.040
years nearly of three nuclear armed

01:19:19.040 --> 01:19:22.080
powers uh basically throwing everything

01:19:22.080 --> 01:19:25.440
they have got at um this small little

01:19:25.440 --> 01:19:27.280
bit of territory, you know, so 20 mi

01:19:27.280 --> 01:19:31.440
long and 45 mi wide and they can't beat

01:19:31.440 --> 01:19:33.199
the resistance. And again, like you

01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:35.120
mentioned, this is a prison. Most of the

01:19:35.120 --> 01:19:36.800
weapons being used are repurposed

01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:38.159
Israeli weapons because there's no way

01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:40.880
to get weapons in. So, it is an

01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:44.000
incredible uh campaign fought by the

01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:46.800
resist the Palestinian resistance. Um,

01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:49.520
and I agree with Larry that that the

01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:51.520
it's the longer it goes on for Israel,

01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:53.760
the worse it's going to get because they

01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:55.360
can't move. They haven't achieved any of

01:19:55.360 --> 01:19:57.840
their goals. Hamas and the resistance

01:19:57.840 --> 01:20:00.800
are still active.

01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:02.239
Hundreds of thousands of people are

01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:03.920
still in the parts of Gaza that they've

01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:05.360
wanted to move. nothing has been

01:20:05.360 --> 01:20:07.199
achieved apart from a complete

01:20:07.199 --> 01:20:09.120
obliteration of their reputation around

01:20:09.120 --> 01:20:11.120
the world and arrest warrants for their

01:20:11.120 --> 01:20:13.760
prime minister and defense minister. So,

01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:16.000
um it they probably do want to draw it

01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:18.400
to a close, but I I I also think that as

01:20:18.400 --> 01:20:20.560
they've gone on this long, it does

01:20:20.560 --> 01:20:22.800
create the conditions for them to carry

01:20:22.800 --> 01:20:25.600
on because they can't stop until they

01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:27.600
get some tangible victory because they

01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:29.840
haven't the the hostages that they have

01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:31.199
got back have been got through through

01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:33.600
exchange deals. Most of them they have

01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:34.800
they have rescued. So they did the

01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:36.239
Nisarat massacre where they killed

01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:38.640
nearly 300 Palestinians to rescue four

01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:40.960
hostages, but the majority have been got

01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:42.880
through exchanges. If the concern was to

01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:44.239
get the hostages back, that's what they

01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:45.600
would have focused on, but that's not

01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:47.280
been their concern. Their concern has

01:20:47.280 --> 01:20:50.159
been to obliterate Gaza. But um I do

01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:53.600
agree with Patrick that this is designed

01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:57.199
to fail just having read uh uh in a

01:20:57.199 --> 01:20:59.280
cursory fashion what the stipulations

01:20:59.280 --> 01:21:01.760
are because

01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:05.199
they the Israelis uh firstly never

01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:08.719
negotiate in good faith uh and uh

01:21:08.719 --> 01:21:12.159
secondly even when they sign up to deals

01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:13.440
they don't hold to it. You know, there

01:21:13.440 --> 01:21:16.080
was a there was a a ceasefire on the

01:21:16.080 --> 01:21:18.640
first that came into came into effect

01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:20.719
the first day of Trump's uh term in

01:21:20.719 --> 01:21:24.000
office in January, and then in March, 2

01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:25.440
months later, they just completely broke

01:21:25.440 --> 01:21:27.600
it, and it was going to plan. That could

01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:28.960
have been a ceasefire that would have

01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:31.600
got all the hostages home um and would

01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:35.040
have uh uh uh uh created uh peace. But

01:21:35.040 --> 01:21:36.880
they don't want peace. They want they

01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:38.640
want they want to destroy Gaza, and they

01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:40.000
want their final solution. and they've

01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:42.239
got their pretext which they probably

01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:43.520
are thinking we're never going to get

01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:45.600
again. So, um I think that they're

01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:47.360
designing this for Hamas to reject it

01:21:47.360 --> 01:21:48.880
and as Patrick say that then gives them

01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:50.320
a propaganda weapon to say well we

01:21:50.320 --> 01:21:52.239
offered everything that they they they

01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:56.639
they needed and um uh they rejected us.

01:21:56.639 --> 01:21:58.800
The other thing is it's also suicidal on

01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:00.880
the part of Hamas because the U the the

01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:02.480
Israelis

01:22:02.480 --> 01:22:05.040
although they say we'll do an amnesty

01:22:05.040 --> 01:22:06.880
they will hunt down and kill every

01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:09.440
single p Hamas fighter and Hamas

01:22:09.440 --> 01:22:10.880
negotiator they did it with you know

01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:13.600
with the shallot deal in 2006 and well

01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:15.760
he was taken in 2006 but released 5

01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:17.520
years later and they hunted down all the

01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:18.880
people that were involved in negotiating

01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:21.199
that they bombed the negotiators in

01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:25.040
Qatar as I mentioned last month um they

01:22:25.040 --> 01:22:27.920
will there's no way that they will abide

01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:30.480
by allowing these people to leave and

01:22:30.480 --> 01:22:32.480
set up shop in another country and not

01:22:32.480 --> 01:22:33.920
hunt them down at some point. So from

01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:35.440
Hamas's perspective, what have they got

01:22:35.440 --> 01:22:37.600
to lose? They either continue the

01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:40.480
resistance or uh and are taken out

01:22:40.480 --> 01:22:42.880
eventually or they they go they they put

01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:44.880
down their weapons and and surrender and

01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:46.880
they're taken out in another way. So the

01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:49.520
Israelis there's no way out for them. So

01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:51.920
the incentive is to carry on because in

01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:53.840
some senses they're winning. You know,

01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:55.600
Israel's not achieved any of its goals.

01:22:55.600 --> 01:22:58.159
They're bleeding out the Israeli uh

01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:00.480
society itself. There's a lot of

01:23:00.480 --> 01:23:02.880
problems for Netanyahu domestically. So

01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:05.199
why sign up to this Trump and Netanyahu

01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:08.080
designed so-called uh peace deal?

01:23:08.080 --> 01:23:10.639
>> Yeah. Yeah. It definitely smells

01:23:10.639 --> 01:23:13.199
fraudulent given how important it is for

01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:16.639
Israel to continue its uh onslaught

01:23:16.639 --> 01:23:19.280
here. And all those points I think are

01:23:19.280 --> 01:23:22.480
are really good ones. Gentlemen, this

01:23:22.480 --> 01:23:24.719
was a great show today. Hey, I want to

01:23:24.719 --> 01:23:27.040
make sure everyone knows uh that you can

01:23:27.040 --> 01:23:30.480
find Larry's blog, Patrick Substack, as

01:23:30.480 --> 01:23:33.760
well as 21st Century Wire and Matt's uh

01:23:33.760 --> 01:23:35.840
X account in the video description where

01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:38.639
you can uh check out all of his work,

01:23:38.639 --> 01:23:40.320
journalistic work, as well as I know you

01:23:40.320 --> 01:23:42.320
have a new book coming out, Matt. Um,

01:23:42.320 --> 01:23:44.480
anything you guys want to plug before we

01:23:44.480 --> 01:23:47.840
head out and we can have it together.

01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:50.239
>> No. All right.

01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:51.760
>> All right. All right. So everybody, go

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01:23:52.880 --> 01:23:55.280
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01:24:02.400 --> 01:24:04.960
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01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:06.320
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